Psycho-Pass - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[jeroz]

love some of the quotes here

Spoiler for quotes:

Masaoka: "what do you feel about someone with your Psycho-Pass being shot?"
Kougami: "I'm glad that this thing didn't turn into an Eliminator"

Originally Posted by kitten320

A human is getting killed in front of hundreds and no one even reacts!

newsflash, it happens in our world as well. Not to mention it happened to a dear friend of our Urobuchi

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=477835

The difference being that anyone can do it in our world, whereas in the world of PP you need to get your hands on that special-made helmet to achieve the same result.

Originally Posted by darthfanta

with the guy who filmed the entire murder even finding it interesting.

isn't he Makishima's right hand man, who once dressed up like a highschool girl?

[Kirarakim]

It's too bad we didn't get that opening from the beginning of the 2nd half because it was awesome.

Really intense, great episode. Although as much as I like Makishima I almost think he is too perfect. Not only is he brilliant, he is also an expert fighter. I think a great antagonist also needs a great flaw, so hoping the series will deliver on that in the end.


Now looking back at the first episode (the weakest of the series) I really wish they had established how the world was perceived to be "better" under the psycho pass system. I know they tell us, but I think the series could have really shown us. One flaw of the series continues to be for me that they went right to the bad stuff.

Oh well it's pretty minor and I am not even sure why I am nitpicking when I thought this episode was quite brilliant overall. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

[Valaren]

This is my theory on how they'll get Makishima in the end: Ko will grab him with the intent to kill, Akane will point the dominator at Ko, and the gun will go into eliminator mode. Then Ko will tell Akane to shoot, and Akane will kill both Ko and Makishima.

[Dark Wing]

Well that was all kinds of levels of fucked up but I guess it got the point across.

Also I called it Shogo Makishima is indeed a revolutionary in his own twisted way.

[Roger Rambo]

I'm really wondering. Is there only ONE Enforcer team in this city? There doesn't seem to be too much of an on the ground presence for a situation that REALLY should be eliciting a much more overt response.

For an authoritarian regime, ultimately, it comes off as rather wussy.

[prototype_sky]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

I'm really wondering. Is there only ONE Enforcer team in this city? There doesn't seem to be too much of an on the ground presence for a situation that REALLY should be eliciting a much more overt response.

For an authoritarian regime, ultimately, it comes off as rather wussy.

Not really remember they've been killing off all the wolves for several decades,
but I am now wondering if they even have a military, that whole town is just sheep

[Dark Wing]

hold on a second...thinking back to previous episodes they referred each person by role depending on rank...My God how come I've never caught on until now!?

Inspectors = Shepherds

Enforcers = Hounds

So if we see the criminals as wolves then your regular average citizen are indeed mindless sheep!

[andyjay729]

What I thought was the scariest part of this ep was the uncanny-valley droid asking that poor lady about her stress. Shoulda guessed they would become nightmare fuel later on.

I also cringed pretty hard when Makishima killed that guy by punching a baseball bat through his throat. (Didn't know that was possible, but it makes sense.)

Does anyone wonder if Sybil is pulling Makishima's strings without him knowing? The Chief's remark at the end of 13 still makes me think there's some kind of very sinister connection or conspiracy going on. (To what end, I can't guess yet.)

[LightningZERO]

Only watched the new OP so far...visually different but very pleasing.

I wonder what's up with the Kougami VS Kougami in the OP. Both OP got this as well

[CJ_Walker]

Originally Posted by Kirarakim

It's too bad we didn't get that opening from the beginning of the 2nd half because it was awesome.

Really intense, great episode. Although as much as I like Makishima I almost think he is too perfect. Not only is he brilliant, he is also an expert fighter. I think a great antagonist also needs a great flaw, so hoping the series will deliver on that in the end.

He's a murderer. . .I think that negates a LOT of "perfect points"

[CJ_Walker]

Originally Posted by jeroz

love some of the quotes here

Spoiler for quotes:

Masaoka: "what do you feel about someone with your Psycho-Pass being shot?"
Kougami: "I'm glad that this thing didn't turn into an Eliminator"

newsflash, it happens in our world as well. Not to mention it happened to a dear friend of our Urobuchi

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=477835

The difference being that anyone can do it in our world, whereas in the world of PP you need to get your hands on that special-made helmet to achieve the same result.

A bit on the rude side dont you think?

anyway, thats what made it so poignant, and why I am asking what is gens overall message that hes trying to convey. He's banking on viewer's knowledge to make a point in this scene which got me thinking about his overall message since hes linking the pp world with our world (there were incidents of this sort of thing happening in Japan as well a while back as well)

The other main point of that scene is the expressions on everyone's face: BLANK!

that was the most important part of the scene. Hell even in the real world cases, some people would show some facial expression, and at least fear as they worry about if they should help or not.

but here there was none of that, just blank, dead stares. kinda like how suzuha from s:g describes the CERN brainwashed humans from her time.

that was the whole point of the scene "show dont tell" Gen did both for those views that missed it, pretty much banging us over the head with "sybil is bad"

Anyway, thats probably part of what spurred gen to write this story, and part of what he sees wrong with Japanese society(and other city societies too but more Japan...

oh and yeah the lack of police, Gen is paralleling that with how the police are in Japan. They're complacent, because most Japanese criminals TURN THEMSELVES IN, there are a few that don't and they stay at large for 15-20 years in most cases, either never being found, being found later by a citizen . . .or turning themselves in.

because of this the J police officers boast a 98% rate in finding criminals but in reality they are very very incompetent (I saw one drunk dude SLAP a police officer, and the cop kept trying to talk him down-.- for about an hour wasting precious time), and there are not that many compared to how many people are in big cities likes Tokyo, Nagoya, and Osaka. so the mwspb is a parallel to the Japan police in many ways (some cops dont even carry guns)

[darkchibi07]

Originally Posted by GDiddy

This is sooooooooooooo never getting anywhere near American shelves now....

Not after Newtown and Aurora...

I seriously doubt it. This title is fairly niche to be noticed by any of the mainstream public.

[Entravity]

Awesome episode as it really highlights what people have been discussing about Psycho-Pass' society. Looking forward to Makishima's plans.

[NoemiChan]

The people in the future are so dumb that only few has common sense. Natural instinct is gone.

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

I'm really wondering. Is there only ONE Enforcer team in this city? There doesn't seem to be too much of an on the ground presence for a situation that REALLY should be eliciting a much more overt response.

For an authoritarian regime, ultimately, it comes off as rather wussy.

There's a team two. They were mentioned by the director as the ones who caught Touma(Makishima's original accomplice) in the act of murder.

[Vicious108]

Originally Posted by CJ_Walker

He's a murderer. . .I think that negates a LOT of "perfect points"

I believe she meant perfect in his ability to carry out his plans, rather than in his character. So far he's always been in absolute control and impeccably composed in every situation he's been in and things have pretty much always gone according to his brilliant machinations and calculations. Even when his minions attempt to surprise him with a betrayal like in this episode, he handily takes care of it by himself in a few seconds. That kind of perfect.

[mechalord]

Originally Posted by Valaren

This is my theory on how they'll get Makishima in the end: Ko will grab him with the intent to kill, Akane will point the dominator at Ko, and the gun will go into eliminator mode. Then Ko will tell Akane to shoot, and Akane will kill both Ko and Makishima.

Makishima dies around episodes 17-20. The real bad guy is the Sibyl system, head of the bureau, politicians.

- rulers think like Makishima
- Makishima tried to go unnoticed in his silent war against society
- Sibyl has its own private army.
- It's revealed people like Makishima aren't that uncommon, those who get identified have been made to disappear for a long time now. Sibyl handles most of them.
- Sibyl commandos?


If Makishima isn't a complete monster... he uses monsters because everyone else is in a stupor and won't fight back. If he feels sympathy for humans, I guess that he sees murder as a way of putting someone out of their misery... if he isn't using tech.

[Key Board]

I'll just leave this here

http://psychology.about.com/od/dinde...onsibility.htm

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[BoyTitan]

Originally Posted by darthfanta

I still see it's as grayish as opposed to black and white. I'm sorry if I sound like one of those guys from NRA(I'm pro-gun ban btw) but I think it is the people who are bad as opposed to the Sybil system being totally bad. There are screwed up ppl like Makishima and then there are ppl who are willing to let crime go pass in front of their eyes--with the guy who filmed the entire murder even finding it interesting.Sure there are flaws in the sybil system, but then, the sybil system did prevent most ppl from getting caught up in crime--that's why there's no black and white.

Do you know how bad that gun ban is I live in N.Y. State and am moving soon cause of it the only thing people would be allowed to own if that ban goes into place are revolvers, and some shot guns, and a few 1911 pistols. Guns are banned enough with the current laws they don't need to be more strict, every shooting that happens is with illegal guns or guns with illegal modifications that is what they fail to tell you on the news. Even the recent school shooting the gun had illegal magazine modifications,taking guns legally owned from the people won't do crap when there are psycho paths and criminals and gangs running around with illegal guns. Guess the nine my bro uses to defend his liquor store can be used to go on a killing spree ten round clip its now banned good luck to trying to defend himself with a slow large calibur revolver or shot gun when some robber has macs and submachine guns. Can't use scopes well my friends grand dad won't be hunting again. A scope on his lever action rifle due to his bad eye sight, The scope now makes it a assault weapon he could take out a whole army with that thing how deadly, Go look into gun laws more before you become so anti gun and think practical.

Sorry I went way of topic but reading that made my head explode.

[Kirarakim]

Originally Posted by Vicious108

I believe she meant perfect in his ability to carry out his plans, rather than in his character. So far he's always been in absolute control and impeccably composed in every situation he's been in and things have pretty much always gone according to his brilliant machinations and calculations. Even when his minions attempt to surprise him with a betrayal like in this episode, he handily takes care of it by himself in a few seconds. That kind of perfect.

Thank you that is exactly what I meant

Not really sure how an antagonist being a murderer makes them less than a perfect antagonist.