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View Poll Results: Should the British Remain or Leave the EU.
Remain 24 55.81%
Leave 19 44.19%
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Old 2018-07-14, 06:17   Link #841
DracoS
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Because we live in a democracy and political legitamacy is based in public surport of the leadership?
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Old 2018-07-14, 19:10   Link #842
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Democracy has absolutely nothing to do with people being too lazy to inform themselves. Your entire argument basically boils down to 'I don't understand it and I refuse to learn about it, therefore it is not legitimate.' It doesn't even begin to make sense.
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Old 2018-07-15, 07:55   Link #843
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Well the EU failure to engage with the general public of the UK effectively is why were getting Brexit, and why any attemps to stop or reverse it are kinda screwed in real terms. It wants all the power, but hasn't done enough to effectively communicate with the people it surpose to repersent, so it seen as undemocratic and distent.

Till that problum is sorted, good luck trying to keep the UK in the EU.
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Old 2018-07-15, 10:24   Link #844
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You have several wrong assumptions:

We are getting the Brexit because the leave campaign had a campaign full of half-truths and outright lies from incompetent people like Farage and Johnson and the voters fell for it hook line and sinker. Also Cameron being a retard.

The EU wants to be powerful sure but these fantasies of an organization that wants to dominate its members are nonsense. Boohoo they are imposing a number of regulations on the country, how dare they. Let's not forget that the UK also benefited from being in the EU. And again, the EU has communicated openly but at least part of the UK closed both eyes and ears. No matter how often you repeat it, that's on the people and not on the EU. Communication requires two parties and the UK wasn't one.

The EU doesn't want the UK back. The voters voted in favor of leave and thus out they go. Good bye. Attempts to stop or reverse the process are currently failing because the UK government has NO CLUE what it is doing in the negotiations.
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Old 2018-07-24, 20:03   Link #845
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8461771.html

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Old 2018-07-24, 23:52   Link #846
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IMO this goes hand in hand with this other piece of information:

New U.K. 'Brexit' chief: We may not pay exit fee if no deal is reached

So like many dine&dash-ers the UK government has their eyes firmly planted on the exit door. No doubt trumpo will sell them all those extra soybeans & pig the chinese no longer want, but we all know how "fair" he is with trade deals so will no doubt sell those with a price increase.
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Old 2018-07-25, 00:44   Link #847
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Well, there is always American foodstuffs.
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Old 2018-07-25, 03:08   Link #848
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Seems UK lost over 80% of foreign Investments in their country. Down to 15 billions after having 66 last time.
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