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Old 2018-07-20, 06:30   Link #1941
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I am just shocked at the number of Americans who genuinely have zero fact checking skills. I had gone through several lessons in my highschool English class, where we were given news articles and had to poke holes in its arguments and statements.

It really isn't hard. It doesn't take much time either. But it appears this isn't a skill that is taught at all schools.
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It's not a uniquely American thing to let the media think for you.
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Old 2018-07-20, 18:26   Link #1942
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It's not a uniquely American thing to let the media think for you.
For my generation (as well as some millennials) a smart guy in a tie came to represent the collusion between the ruling state party and the mass media. He left broadcast television two years before democracy returned. Up to this day say mass media outlet is linked with "the official truth". I would say that we have plenty of people that let others do the thinking, but we do not have nothing similar to fox news and most people still are wary of news broadcast thru televsion.
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Old 2018-07-21, 11:06   Link #1943
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yeah while they are not exactly equals in doing exactly the same thing" they actions are a sort of mirro cuz while they are not tryhing to to be xenophobics, they are trying to alienate peoples specially youngs, in hate femininity because womans must be "male" and hate masculinity because males must be girlish, they are trying to force peoples accept date any sort of person like a straight have to accept love from gays or from trans because otherwise they are homophobics, sexist and bla bla bla, which white peoples must be blamed for everything happening in world because being "white" is almost equal to being "nazi", we do have a lot of hate and prejudice being throwed to "normal peoples", because we have the "cultural apropriation and peoples can't anymore dress or have they hairs as they want because they are called "thiefs" and stolen others "races" culture", when you look at all the crazy come from the SJW is not really that hard to not compare them with the other "evil side", the only thing left for them to do to become "full equals" is starting to killing peoples (in some really rare and extreme cases this already happened), many important moviments which started as a way to give "equals rights" to oppressed peoples" like feminism and LGBQT community become crap and toxic almost as the others "crap groups they hated because they are using the same "hate agenda" as them as they way to attack everyone as they can.
Not disagreeing with you, but outside of Fox News and Breibart, it doesn't seem like these figures are particularly noteworthy as a threat for the most part.

Perhaps I'm just blaming the alt-right for being succesful.

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I am just shocked at the number of Americans who genuinely have zero fact checking skills. I had gone through several lessons in my highschool English class, where we were given news articles and had to poke holes in its arguments and statements.

It really isn't hard. It doesn't take much time either. But it appears this isn't a skill that is taught at all schools.

Agreed, but it is quite hard. This post is self-evident in showing why.
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Old 2018-07-22, 18:43   Link #1944
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Not disagreeing with you, but outside of Fox News and Breibart, it doesn't seem like these figures are particularly noteworthy as a threat for the most part.

Perhaps I'm just blaming the alt-right for being succesful.
i was pretty much like you in the beginner and only see the evil "on trump" and his crap" them things started to change with the "cultural apropriation" and see peoples being physically attacked because where using "dreds haircut or even being attacked by "non asian" peoples because they where using kimonos in asian festivals, then it started to make me stop to only look at trump and look at the "other side too" that is when i started to look at news outside the "main stream" not just CNN,NY or fox or breibart. started to look at social media and if things are truth not just fake news (from fox or cnn) also look at youtube, then i started to see womans moving out feminism because they get tired of being "opressed by them" then i saw black peoples blame BLM and being attacked by "SJW black peoples, even gay, lesbian and bi being attacked by they LGBQT moviment because they "dont agree" them things get really shade, the events happening in USA or even sweden due to SJW infleunce, even on cartoons or hollywood everything must be about "diversity and representativeness characters being changed for the sake of it and things like happening, that is why nowadasy i'm neither left or right" because both sides are a "disease/cancer", both sides using different arguments but the "goal is the same" imposition and victmization.

and this is just making the western become all that mess, because peoples are too focused on attack each other the line between what is a prejudice and what is a opnion or argument or talk or joke no longer exist peoples are getting triggered by the smallet words or actions.

Obvious the "alt-right will stand more because they have a "big target on them called "trump" which make them aways looks like the "one evil to be blamed" and being a smoke screen for the "left" do all they crap too without peoples noticing because they are too "focused on blame the right" and trump.

to be clear i'm not saying which trump is not a monster as myself always attacked him a lot and i do thing which his place is at last in the jail for all his crap but at this point we do have "2" evils but the problem is which one of this evil is really, really very good at "keep low profile of his actions" and use the "victimization" card to keep themselfs secure.
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Old 2018-07-22, 20:35   Link #1945
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"Drop the B from LBGT" started from 4CHAN!
gender gatekeeping was started by TERFs
and while I'm at it, trying to include pedophiles in LBGT is a also a 4Chan thing
Neither of these are left wing infighting

If you want an example of "left wing" infighting it would be Democrats vs Socialist.
But that's bound to happen because Democrats are moderate Republicans, and especially people like Nancy Pelosi.

And Jesus Christ, do you really believe BLM is lying and police disproportionately using force against certain groups to not be true? Do you really believe these people pretend to be victimized? There's no both sides in this. Especially when black athletes get crap for KNEELING to a flag, while this other neo nazi gets away with flying a confederate REBEL flag
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Also considering the GOP put this guy....

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i was pretty much like you in the beginner and only see the evil "on trump" and his crap"

Uhh no.... I've given liberals hella shit I'm probably to the right of most on this site, excluding Russian Propaganda bots. 2016 is the only time I voted for Democrat in the presidential election to deter the annoying Orange One and I'd definitely like to thank them for wasting my vote. Well, I guess my state goes blue anyways. But in any case, I have no qualm hating on anyone, even people that techically share the same beliefs with me. But right now, the pendulum is in that direction.

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them things started to change with the "cultural apropriation" and see peoples being physically attacked because where using "dreds haircut or even being attacked by "non asian" peoples because they where using kimonos in asian festivals,
I've been aware of these things for a very long time. Probably more than a decade since I attended College, so yea. But you simply cannot equate it to actual large scale violence on behalf of those in power such as rounding kids up in camp and actual nazis running over people with cars. Yes there are leftist antifa beating people up for voting Trump and burning property, but in the end you're still not getting those people who are regularly peddling genocidal and ethnic cleansing as a standard, not an exception. The antifa can just be tossed in jail and held accountable. What we have in Washington is well... no accountability.

There's always going to be extremists on both ends and I do think that it is unfair to characterize either by them. But when it comes down to what actually matters, whatever excuses are being made, we still have people that are going to pull the lever for (R) no matter how much they badmouth Trump. The Republicans in Congress are a great example of that. They do criticize Trump, but in the end when the Dog bowl comes out they're back on their knees. I simply will not associate with the GOP at all, or Trump's ilk. Yea Obama and certainly the fact of those extrajudicial killings and insufficient action to discontinue surveillance leaves much to be desired.... but the likes of them are still better than Donnie and Bitch... I mean Mitch.
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Old 2018-07-23, 00:18   Link #1947
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i started to look at news outside the "main stream" not just CNN,NY or fox or breibart. started to look at social media
*facepalm* We know today for a fact that russian bots influenced the 2016 election with WILD conspiracy theories and whatnot (they even were in this very forum) using social media. Not only that, we know for a fact that they are STILL doing it (Putin wants to destroy democracies so his people can't say "Hey, people in democratic countries have a better standard of life, let's Go West"). The worse part is that even before 2016 social networks were shock full of gossip but people think "Hey, it must be true because so many people saw the video, tweet, FB post, etc". It is quite worrying because we know for a fact that most people nowadays (specially millennials) get their NEWS from social media, that is like letting Homer Simpson control a nuclear reactor IRL. Hey, I do not mean to say CNN is the pristine truth, I know what kind of bias they have, but at least it is easier to hold them accountable than whatever non journalist that makes a quick buck in social media.

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Old 2018-07-23, 02:14   Link #1948
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@Blueknight78 I strongly suggest you to get your news from traditionally reliable non-American media entities such as the BBC or Agence France-Presse if you want to avoid bias from any American outlet.
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In today's news...we have the Don randomly rageposting about Iran:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...34525626609666
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"Drop the B from LBGT" started from 4CHAN!
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Neither of these are left wing infighting

If you want an example of "left wing" infighting it would be Democrats vs Socialist.
But that's bound to happen because Democrats are moderate Republicans, and especially people like Nancy Pelosi.

And Jesus Christ, do you really believe BLM is lying and police disproportionately using force against certain groups to not be true? Do you really believe these people pretend to be victimized? There's no both sides in this. Especially when black athletes get crap for KNEELING to a flag, while this other neo nazi gets away with flying a confederate REBEL flag
Stop fucking acting like the leftwingers are perfect little angels, I am fucking French, I am seeing your fucking identity politics rotting the left-wing in France, much to the despair of the more traditional left-wing parties like the French Communist Party or Force Ouvriere, who are desperately trying to make people understand that it is NOT about races. That the fucking assclowns who are trying to make the social struggles in France about races are mostly of the american school of identity politics, American lefties who are fucking projecting their history and society over France.

I am desperately trying to undo that shit that have gotten to my youngest sister's head. We got a close call in the last french presidential election, but I wont be surprised if another far right party get to the second round of the next one. I cant even count on Melenchon who let identity politics people contaminate his party. I am so close to switch my political allegiance to Monarchists or, preferably, Bonapartists. Because those guys are willing to bring the hammer down on that shit.
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Old 2018-07-23, 10:47   Link #1951
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@Blueknight78 I strongly suggest you to get your news from traditionally reliable non-American media entities such as the BBC or Agence France-Presse if you want to avoid bias from any American outlet.
yeah thanks, that is exactly what i'm doing now, because USA news become "US x Them, is no more about "bring all news and be neutral", all the media in US are mandatory to be or alt right or alt left, they aways "cover/protect one side while attacking the other, that was one of the reasons i stopped to believe on everything from that sources and go look in another places about the truth instead of get trapped in they "media bubbles"
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Stop fucking acting like the leftwingers are perfect little angels, I am fucking French, I am seeing your fucking identity politics rotting the left-wing in France, much to the despair of the more traditional left-wing parties like the French Communist Party or Force Ouvriere, who are desperately trying to make people understand that it is NOT about races. That the fucking assclowns who are trying to make the social struggles in France about races are mostly of the american school of identity politics, American lefties who are fucking projecting their history and society over France.

I am desperately trying to undo that shit that have gotten to my youngest sister's head. We got a close call in the last french presidential election, but I wont be surprised if another far right party get to the second round of the next one. I cant even count on Melenchon who let identity politics people contaminate his party. I am so close to switch my political allegiance to Monarchists or, preferably, Bonapartists. Because those guys are willing to bring the hammer down on that shit.
And that is why i stopped to see the "left as heroes too and see both sides as scums, because instead of fixe they own issues and go back track in "helping peoples in need, they become almost as the other side and can't accept it and wheneve someone bring they own issues to the table they go full attack blaming the other side doing exactly what the other side do, this is why i see both sides "almost as equals", because i really see some of the "same pattern" in both sides, like attacking and playing victim when needed and not able to recognize they own mess and the damage they are doing to they society, just look at countries like france and sweden and even USA and you see how things are really weird.

To be clear my country also is not a "holy place" and we deep suffer from "corruption" in our democracy which alread become a really big mess and problem since being deep corrupt and rotting to the core become "normal" for us when come to politicians, if you really want to know what are true "nasty and rotting politicians live here where the police jail the corrupts and the "justice (a ugly nasty old geese called gilmar mendes) release them laughting on the peoples face, we have a "say" for politicians here which is "ele rouba mas faz" (something like "he steals but does"), where the politician make some "nasty" campaign promise for the "mass" then everyone thing he is the saviour and is allowed to steal millions or billions of the money because peoples don't care, we are our worst enemie because of conformity and selfish, our country have a huge potential to be first world but the type of peoples living and controlling the country don't want that because it could means "losing control" over it and losing all they privileges.

But now things are getting worst because we are getting infected too by that SJW and extrem alt and left from USA and peoples are going nuts/crazy too here thanks to USA and western, many womans becoming crazy bitches, we have PT x PSDB (left x right) where peoples are rooting for scums like bolsonario and Lula just because "hate and anger" and blame the other side for every thing are the new banner of our politicians and they parties.

Trump himself is not the root of all evil and the only evil, he is a symptom from a big disease being spread all along the western which is affecting all the sides.
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To be fair i feel hard to totally blame the peoples for USA get trump, many US peoples where come from a moment where they are tired of being called "rapists", sexists, xenophobicx, white privilegy" and all that crap, many really innocent peoples get scared and saw in trump and his crazyness a "salvation" or at last a way to fight back that situation where they "freedom" become a mess, as some peoples pointed you country was on the common position between choose 2 evils or they vote for hilary and get 4 more years of liberals dictatorship with hilary or goes for "crazy tiny hands orange dude" and try to see if he could stop that mess, well in the end he just not was really the solution for it he only helped it get worst.
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Old 2018-07-23, 11:02   Link #1952
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This is the worst Era in modern time is it, in the East, we have Xi and China with all the SCS rage, Duterte and Philippine, Japan with it's whole corruption and ethics, an just not mentioning NK. On the side of EU we have Brexits with all the accompanied issues in EU, and in the US the politic fight get intense more and more with Trump spearheading it

TBH, i'm one of those people who hate politics as a whole, be it right or left. As a matter of fact, truth to be told i still don't know what right or left even mean, a true irony that my elder sister actually study politics. But i do know that the one who receive the most damage from all this fight is the normal people as always
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Old 2018-07-23, 12:53   Link #1953
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TBH, i'm one of those people who hate politics as a whole, be it right or left. As a matter of fact, truth to be told i still don't know what right or left even mean, a true irony that my elder sister actually study politics. But i do know that the one who receive the most damage from all this fight is the normal people as always
it's exactly because "normal peoples" aways ending being in the middle of the ar which we ending being the most damaged, they don't allows us to "just watch them fight and kill each other" we are throwed in the middle of the battlefield and be used as the "meatshield" and the sacrifice for they fights, because of the famous "the end justify the means".
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In today's news...we have the Don randomly rageposting about Iran:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...34525626609666
It was to be expected since in his prior twit he said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...58915206152193

He again back-pedaled on accepting the Russians interfered on the 2016 presidential election, so he is creating this smoke screen about Iran. If this creates another war on the middle east, he is just continuing the tradition other Republican presidents have upheld.
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I was shown this today; you might have some fun as it is quite pertinent to this thread.
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Stop fucking acting like the leftwingers are perfect little angels, I am fucking French, I am seeing your fucking identity politics rotting the left-wing in France, much to the despair of the more traditional left-wing parties like the French Communist Party or Force Ouvriere, who are desperately trying to make people understand that it is NOT about races. That the fucking assclowns who are trying to make the social struggles in France about races are mostly of the american school of identity politics, American lefties who are fucking projecting their history and society over France.

I am desperately trying to undo that shit that have gotten to my youngest sister's head. We got a close call in the last french presidential election, but I wont be surprised if another far right party get to the second round of the next one. I cant even count on Melenchon who let identity politics people contaminate his party. I am so close to switch my political allegiance to Monarchists or, preferably, Bonapartists. Because those guys are willing to bring the hammer down on that shit.
Maybe you have more experience when it comes to France, but I do [expletive redacted]know about American political climate, and this thread is generally centered around US political sphere. We have a real racial problem here in the US. There's is no such thing as a "but both sides are equally wrong dichotomy. If you disagree with that, do [expletive redacted] educate yourself about the US or stay in your lane.
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Maybe you have more experience when it comes to France, but I do [expletive redacted]know about American political climate, and this thread is generally centered around US political sphere. We have a real racial problem here in the US. There's is no such thing as a "but both sides are equally wrong dichotomy. If you disagree with that, do [expletive redacted] educate yourself about the US or stay in your lane.
i really disagree with you, i could not live in USA but i do follow the news(not just left and right usa news) enough to know which you do have "both sides" doing bad things which things are "not so black and white" and in the same way you have "racism again black you do have the same happening against white peoples, it's a amercian reality which all the crap is coming from both sides, no matter how you wanna try to "ignore" all the crap comming from liberal moviments like BLM, LGBT and Feminism and others in USA.

In the same way USA have big issues with neo nazis and KKK and white supremacist you do have issues which are really big and need to be erased the other side also is doing they own crap too.
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Old 2018-07-23, 21:00   Link #1958
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It's not even on the same weight!

You have SYSTEMATIC OPPRESSION
You have LITERAL NAZIS running for office position. Go ahead check the news. See which GOP candidates are actual Nazis.
You have people being KILLED every day for being minorities, literally and subtely

What the heck did antifa/blm/sjw/(insert) even do that's equal to that!!??

Turn away some politicians from restaurants?
Kneel for the national anthem?
Having gay people in games and movies?
Whining on tumblr because someone drew a fan art the "wrong" way?

Yeah, totally on the same level!

You see, this is what you get when you have a generation of people subscribing to South Park's "oh but both sides are equally wrong" nonsense.
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Maybe you have more experience when it comes to France, but I do [expletive redacted]know about American political climate, and this thread is generally centered around US political sphere. We have a real racial problem here in the US. There's is no such thing as a "but both sides are equally wrong dichotomy. If you disagree with that, do [expletive redacted] educate yourself about the US or stay in your lane.
Please, tell us whats your plan to win back rust belt workers? Excluding them worked out so Well!
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Please, tell us whats your plan to win back rust belt workers? Excluding them worked out so Well!
Give Unions back their negotiating powers.
Make companies take care of their employees
Undo the damage corporate deregulation has caused

There's a reason why South Korea, Japan and Germany (and not China) make our electronic parts.
They invest in their middle class, and don't go "ewwww big government socialism"

if rust belt workers still vote GOP because "gun rights", "religious values" and "ewwww commies aren't American" that so be it. They are not needed.
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