GATE - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[eisai_haramasukoi]

Well, that was...lacking.

I expected a Market Garden-type of paradrop. But at least they made a solid statement to Zorzal: "We can end this war anytime. But we chose to do it peacefully."

That scene with Beefeater and Kengun is funny. Another May-December pairing confirmed?

Looking forward to the finale.

[rladls2121]

I wonder what actions Emperor Molt will take if he wakes up?

[Yan3242]

I wonder what actions Emperor Molt will take if he wakes up?

*woke up, see current state of empire, go to zorzal*

"NOW you know why i suddenly playing nice when they come here first time, told ya"

[rladls2121]

That's right, it is one of the reasons why we had see countless of Empire Soldiers with so much bullet holes on their bodies in this episode and it was really a meaningless battle really.

[mergele]

Do we have any info on special region seasons? I want to do the "Snow in ..." statement.
Also, these knights in front of the embassy are dead. I don't care how good they are trained, give me a spear, a shield and that difference in men density and we slaughter them.

[rladls2121]

If Zorzal continues to resist to the very end, there might not be such as Empire soldiers in the future.

The modern world should have taken the action more strongly to also get into the Special Region without any backstabbing motives, and it is really not a time to fight among each other for taking resources here and there when found every time in the Special Region.

China, Russia, and US shouldn't have tried to attack and kidnap people from the Special Region in the first place.
They were still outsiders from the Special Region point of view and has very little progress made regarding the Special Region, maybe because of their kidnapping.
It is not like they have the right to decide the Special Region's future.
And since they were just being spectators from the beginning, it was rather awkward.

Even up to now, we have seen the battles soldiers from the modern world participated are still only JSDF.
The result might have been better in this episode and absolutely no further battles any more if many more possible foreign modern soldiers cooperated that are truly dependable and trustful.

Just my wishful thinking.

Is Pina is the only person needs to be rescued as of now?
I thought there are more important people having oppositions towards the Empire are still remain captive somewhere in the Empire.

[thundrakkon]

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Originally Posted by rladls2121

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Pretty much only Pina is left. The rest of the political prisoners appeared to have been imprisoned in that one prison, and they were rescued by the JSDF. The rest who opposed were killed by the Oprichnina before the rescue.

Of course, the question remains if the emperor, Molt Sol Augustus, needs to be rescued as well. The JSDF probably has better medical remedies, and who knows what Zorzal will do to him if he starts to wake up.

[Harbinger]

Poor Pina :/ The price is arriving to deliver some BL to relieve your anguish!

[Yan3242]

Dont worry, when everything is back to normal, she will have all the bl material she can request from itami.

In fact she probably just going to spread the joy of bl to her rose army i can imagine beefeater face

[~Yami~]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

I wonder what actions Emperor Molt will take if he wakes up?

most likely he'll go back to sleep again.. or pretend to sleep

yea.. the only thing that could save Pina is Itami... and for her soul is by BL collection from Itami's ex-wife

[Benigmatica]

Seeing the JSDF making a statement towards Zolzal via a paradrop and some shock tactics was awesome!

Of course, I'm worried about Princess Piña Co Lada as she might get raped at any time. I hope that Lt. Youji Itami and his party will save her on the next episode!

[Ultragunner]

Let's see, this episode we saw "Saber" and "Assassin" serva....I mean soliders in action, next week we will have "Avenger" going into the capital?

Haha, sorry I couldn't help it

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yeah. But Grey got the word. Thus, my point that it wasn't a big secret. (And really, Zorzal isn't the subtle type. He wants people to see him exert power, rather than just suspect he's exerted power.)

And - looking at it from another side - securing Pina should have been a priority whether they knew her exact status or not. Because the puppet government option looks increasingly likely, and she'd be very, very useful for that. So they should have traced her location while waiting for the authorization to actually intervene.

So, yes, it's possible Itami somehow has better intelligence than the JSDF command, but I'd chalk it up more to convenient writing than actual likelihood.

(Also possible: they know where she is, but decided against taking the palace at this point.)

In this instance, Itami's intelligence is Grey's intelligence. The knight who has been living and working with the imperial family (specifically Piña) for years having better intelligence than the "alien" military who only showed up in this universe a few months ago is hardly "convenient writing". Especially when said military has diplomatic limitations and different priorities.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

In this instance, Itami's intelligence is Grey's intelligence. The knight who has been living and working with the imperial family (specifically Piña) for years having better intelligence than the "alien" military who only showed up in this universe a few months ago is hardly "convenient writing". Especially when said military has diplomatic limitations and different priorities.

For things like Pina's character, or connections, sure, Grey has the edge. For current events hundreds of kilometers away from where he is, medieval knight (not even spymaster, but knight) shouldn't beat modern military. Unless, you know, the JSDF are so pure, they're in the red light district only to provide free medical care and certainly not for something as low as spying.

[Yan3242]

Let's see, this episode we saw "Saber" and "Assassin" serva....I mean soliders in action, next week we will have "Avenger" going into the capital?

Zorzal: "i have an army!!!"
Itami: "we have rory"

*put on sunglasses* yeeeeeaaaaaaaa

[rladls2121]

Itami said in the episode he won't let anyone die, who are those people Itami referring to?

I think Itami's group might cause less damage on the Empire compared to the rest of the SDF soldiers.
Even though the other SDF forces support Itami from afar, one of the few things they can do is make more holes on the Empire soldiers after all is it?
Since Rory the Demigod is on presence, she can be a very good help just to scare off the enemies without any possible harm.
If it is to save just Pina, then it is better to sneak in I guess.
Thinking about if some Empire ordinary citizen might hold any grudge against SDF if a lot of SDF forces charged through and making more holes on the Empire soldiers that have their family to protect, I'm kind of confused though.
The enemy casualties in the episode is way more than enough, no maybe starting from the battle on Alnus hill from the first season episode 2.

And someone before me already mentioned on risks of picking a fight against Rory that only leads to nothing but regrets.

I forgot to mention those two female knights on the horse, since they decide to go to the castle by themselves after SDF's escort to the Empire, they had to get away after being exposed as traitors, and led to the SDF soldiers to make little bit more holes.
I wonder how the Empire soldiers there hold grudges against the female knights and the SDF soldiers who are ready to retreat with the air carrier, not only they got away except for the horse the female knights were riding on.
Though I feel their mourning, not being able to save Pina, but to be this pointless blood shed, is it pointless?

[Top Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

For things like Pina's character, or connections, sure, Grey has the edge. For current events hundreds of kilometers away from where he is, medieval knight (not even spymaster, but knight) shouldn't beat modern military. Unless, you know, the JSDF are so pure, they're in the red light district only to provide free medical care and certainly not for something as low as spying.

The JSDF's best intel source in the palace is the cook from Itami's Team, and he can't possibly be expected to know everything. He still has to cook and clean the kitchen in addition to picking up and transmitting any information he discovers.

I'm betting Hamilton got word out to Grey. We know that Hamilton was in the Palace with Pina but we haven't seen her since just before Pina's imprisonment.

The messenger would want to travel as fast as possible which leaves little time for chitchat with the locals, not that a good messenger would gossip in the first place.

Do we know the distance from Rondel to the Capital? From the Capital to Alnus is about 600 Kilometers if I recall correctly.

In any event we may find out the answer to this next week. I'm perfectly willing to wait and see what the skinny is (assuming they tell us).

[watisit]

Originally Posted by rladls2121

Itami said in the episode he won't let anyone die, who are those people Itami referring to?

I presume he is referring to his former subordinates. There was a flashback to them right around that time.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Top Sergeant

The JSDF's best intel source in the palace is the cook from Itami's Team, and he can't possibly be expected to know everything. He still has to cook and clean the kitchen in addition to picking up and transmitting any information he discovers.

I'm betting Hamilton got word out to Grey. We know that Hamilton was in the Palace with Pina but we haven't seen her since just before Pina's imprisonment.

The messenger would want to travel as fast as possible which leaves little time for chitchat with the locals, not that a good messenger would gossip in the first place.

Do we know the distance from Rondel to the Capital? From the Capital to Alnus is about 600 Kilometers if I recall correctly.

In any event we may find out the answer to this next week. I'm perfectly willing to wait and see what the skinny is (assuming they tell us).

This. In addition, the JSDF's priorities are elsewhere. Piña may be a helpful ally in the peace talks, but she is not a Japanese citizen. As soon as their own people came under threat, any assets they may have had explicitly assigned for constant contact with Piña would have been reoriented toward the new crisis. Piña's a big girl, and she's a member of the imperial family. The JSDF likely felt safe in assuming the latter, especially, would keep her safe, but in any case, she was not a priority. Not to mention any attempt to contact her outside the normal channels might place additional Japanese personnel and imperial contacts on the Oprichnina's radar. The JSDF's goal was simple and their focus was well defined by diplomatic responsibility. Extract the Japanese diplomats and the imprisoned peace faction members. If Piña had been with the latter, no problem. But "sorry, Kengun, our princess is in another castle."

...Yes, I have been waiting to use that one... ^_^

[Hata]

Originally Posted by Chaser

I expected a Market Garden-type of paradrop.

let’s talk logistic.

not counting special forces, the only large JSDF group able to do paradrop? that would be the 1st Airborne Brigade, the Japanese equivalent of US 88th Airborne, it is made up of 3 para infantry battalion and one artillery battalion, plus misc. support group, total 1,900 soldiers.

the transport airplanes shown in the anime that is doing the airdrop is Kawasaki C-1 transport, it can carry 45 fully equipped paratroopers, or 1 platoon.

Japan has 30+ of those C-1, (barely enough to do a full drop of all 3 infantry battalion.) and in the manga, there were never more than 4 together shown at one time, being it takes a lot of efforts to move one of these planes into the special territory, you need to detach and reattach the wings during transport via flatbed truck.

so in the anime we have 5 C-1 doing the drop, that would be 5 platoons, or 45X5=225 soldiers, not even 2 companies strength,

operation Market Garden? 40,000+ paratroopers.

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someone who has the same watch notices, at the beginning the watch used to synchronize time is a Casio G-Shock GW-9400-1.