True Tears - Episode 13 [END] Discussion / Poll

[germanturkey]

haven't look at spoilers on pg 1 or 2 yet, and haven't sited the aria or gundam ep discussion yet. so i partially held to my promise..

[Rembr]

What's a good place to see a hiromi vs noe warfare?

[vio5555]

Originally Posted by Rembr

What's a good place to see a hiromi vs noe warfare?

Omni's blog, I suppose, but there are plenty of other anime forums which usually have much bigger shipping drama than here (Thank god...).

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by golthin

Yeah, I can believe that theory!

Seems very plausible from the scene from the 8 minutes mark as well as the obvious one later when she visits her flat.

[tun]

Originally Posted by Rembr

What's a good place to see a hiromi vs noe warfare?

4chan is always good

Originally Posted by Westlo

Also @ tun I lol'd at your ending scene version, and oh props for the script, reading now!

Thanks

[LeviathanDarkly]

Originally Posted by tun

4chan is always good

NOT

Wanted Noe ending ;_;
Now this show is just meh
Hope there will be an OVA, I want to see happy ending for Noe :')

[vio5555]

Wow; I want to add something I just noticed that might explain a big part of Shin's mom, Shin's dad, and Hiromi's mom's drama:

Spoiler for 13 Shin and his Dad's Exchange:

That exchange was huge, where Shin goes to ask his dad "when do you cry" and his dad answers "when your heart wavers, i guess" (taken from the "subs") and seems to be thinking about what he said as Shin leaves...

That might also explain a lot of what happened between Shin's mom and Hiromi's mom; heck since Shin has been going through a lot of the same experiences that his father went through that might be the best confirmation we get of another parallel there... as well as of course Shin's mom seeing a lot of herself in Hiromi (even as she tries to deny it because Hiromi is of course her mom's daughter...)

Even Shin's mom talking to Hiromi matches everything their experiences in parallel with the "waiting is hard..." line...

I expanded on this in my later post.

[cloudninja]

Originally Posted by Westlo

I'm happy that track 30 played during the hookup scene. I always thought it would be used for a Hiromi & Shin hook up since the ost was ripped on the 27th of feb and I'm glad to see I was right.

I watched that scene several times and they played track 32 (omoi wo oitekite - leave behind those feelings) instead of track 30. Track 32 started when Noe was walking away from Shin and he 'sang' out the part about Yuasa Hiromi. They continued playing track 32 through the end of the next scene with Shin and Hiromi.

I guess they chose track 32 to show Shin and Noe leaving their feelings for each other behind. As for Hiromi, she could finally leave behind her feelings of sadness that she's had for a long time now that she is finally together with Shin. I think it was appropriate that it started snowing at the end of that scene since Hiromi can now associate snow with her new joyful feeling instead of her previous bad association with snow. It was snowing back when Shin's mother told her that lie which was painful to her because it made her think they could'nt be together.

I was hoping to hear track 30 as well but I guess the director felt track 32 was more appropriate. Track 30 has the more uplifting 'triumphant' feel to it in the 2nd half but track 32 is a bit more subdued which matched the actual scene they showed. I thought Hiromi was cute when she made him work a little by saying no twice to his requests for her to go out with him. She should have made him work more though for the way he neglected her the previous two episodes.

[cheesie]

Spoiler:

So Shin has feelings for -both- Noe and Hiromi but, as he couldn't have both, chose to stay with Hiromi instead, all the while singing to himself about Hiromi so his feelings wouldn't waver?

How utterly bittersweet.

[ZODDGUTS]

Originally Posted by apr

She says it takes stamina/strength to wait. Hence bringing something to eat.

Shin's mother's turnaround has been a bit of a confusion for me the entire series. I've developed a secret theory that she sees herself in Hiromi, because Shin's dad was in a similar situation when they were younger, with Shin's mom as Hiromi, and Hiromi's mom as Noe, only Shin's mom never broke free of her resentment.

Ah thanks. Had a bit of a feeling she may have said that which also leads me to believe like you said went through the same thing that Hiromi is going through waiting for the person you love to choose between her or someone else.

Anyways Shin will know he choose wisely once he sees Hiromi do this:

Spoiler for O_O:

Shin she's doing it for you, be thankful you lucky bastard!

[cloudninja]

Originally Posted by ZODDGUTS

Spoiler for O_O:

Shin she's doing it for you, be thankful you lucky bastard!

I was thinking the same thing earlier but thought better about posting that thought, did'nt want to give the impression I was having dirty thoughts

She did mention to him that she had done the splits when Shin caught up to her.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by cloudninja

I was thinking the same thing earlier but thought better about posting that thought, did'nt want to give the impression I was having dirty thoughts

She did mention to him that she had done the splits when Shin caught up to her.

You know that the only purpose of that scene was to be able to capture Hiromi's pained face to fool all the Noe and Hiromi fans.

[totalnet]

God, that was the fastest subbing job I have ever seen.

[atividia]

score

Spoiler:

hiromi ending saves the day. I hate endings where the guy ends up liking the girl because the girl already likes him; it feels fake.

[tun]

Originally Posted by totalnet

God, that was the fastest subbing job I have ever seen.

To be honest I could have released it around 4PM EST but I wanted to go through it before I let it loose.

[vio5555]

So the biggest revelation of the series is perhaps that True Tears (current story of Shin/Hiromi/Noe) mirrors the (past story of Shin's dad/Shin's mom/Hiromi's mom), from what is being said.

Hiromi played the role of Shin's mom, which explains why Shin's mom didn't understand her at first since she thought Hiromi was playing the role of Hiromi's mom, and that explains her past bitterness since Hiromi's mom originally caused Shin's dad's heart to waver. Around episodes 8-9 Shin's mom begins to understand that (Hiromi is probably doing all the same things she did 30 years ago; i.e. trying to date a random guy to not stir the boat) and does a "180" since she now understands that Hiromi is actually filling in her role. It also explains her line in ep 13; that the "waiting is hard" for Shin/Shin's dad to go and talk to Noe/Hiromi's mom. Thus, the behavior of Shin's mom towards Hiromi is consistent under this interpretation of the past.

Noe plays the role of Hiromi's mom which is that she's the one who Shin/Shin's dad wavers towards..., and probably the reason why Hiromi's resentment to Noe mirrors Shin's mom's resentment towards Hiromi's mom.

Shin plays the role of his dad, which is obvious to some extent, and the fact of course that he asks his dad when a man cries true tears, which is when of course, "his heart wavers", so we know his dad went through this same kind of drama with Shin's mom=Hiromi, Hiromi's mom=Noe.

I think this kind of interpretation completely serves as the answer to the general criticism leveled over the treatment of Shin's mom and her relationship with Hiromi. We can pretty much completely conjecture based on the hints dropped after that, that the parallel to the past should clear up all of Shin's mom's original feelings in eps 1-9 that she thought Hiromi was like her mother, but in 10-13 she understands that Hiromi is actually like her.

Either way, I have to give solid props to the series for managing to deal with everything that was raised over the previous 12 episodes in the final episode, since most of my questions have been answered with solidly dropped hints (although I still think Shin should have said something to Hiromi before running off to Noe at the end of 12...).

[ZODDGUTS]

Originally Posted by cloudninja

I was thinking the same thing earlier but thought better about posting that thought, did'nt want to give the impression I was having dirty thoughts

She did mention to him that she had done the splits when Shin caught up to her.

It's going to be used the way it's intented to be used... that's why she mentioned it to Shin heh. I'm surprise Shin didn't tell her that he wants to see it in action it's not like there's anyone their to stop them in Hiromi's apartment. I have a feeling that Hiromi is the type of girl that won't hold back look at that cup seen between her and Shin! She tends to release her tension and stress with basketball but now that she has Shin she'll be doing other things to relieve of her stress... Like I said Shin is one lucky bastard.

Anyways wow there's 7 votes with a score of 1 out 10 doesn't take much of a guess as to why they voted that way. Lots of bitter tears for them.

[Darkside]

yes! I haven't watched ep yet, but the suspense on who he would pick in the end was too suspenseful.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by vio5555

Either way, I have to give solid props to the series for managing to deal with everything that was raised over the previous 12 episodes in the final episode, since most of my questions have been answered with solidly dropped hints

Agreed completely.

Spoiler for Episode 13:

What I want to say after re-watching the episode again is that the dialog in the episode completely blows me away. It's like practically every single line is weighty and laced with deeper meaning and symbolism. Especially the exchanges with the parents, the conversation with Noe, and some of Shinichirou's monologue. It just sort of stopped me dead in my tracks, like "how can one short phrase say so much?" Just... wow. People who only care about how it ended truly missed everything good about this show, in my opinion.

"Dad, when do you cry?" "When your heart aches, right?"
"I love Hiromi... but whenever I look at you, my heart aches."
"Shinichirou, you believe I can fly, and that belief will be my wings."
"I've wanted to wipe away your tears. And now, it's something I can do."
"It's snowing..." "Huh?" "Nothing..."

This episode is like a poem born from the most bittersweet memories imaginable. How fitting. What a great way to wrap up this show.

I'm sure I'll have more to say after I let it sink for a bit.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by ZODDGUTS

Anyways wow there's 7 votes with a score of 1 out 10 doesn't take much of a guess as to why they voted that way. Lots of bitter tears for them.

the sad thing is that people KNOW what the poll is intended for, Still they rate the episode in such way out of bitterness.