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Old 2015-06-06, 19:12   Link #5961
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LOL mate, u serious? that battle absolutely followed Shounen tropes- the MC never wins the first big tournament. Dragon Ball, Naruto, Boku hero plus more all follow that trope
Actually he already lost in his first big battle. So theoretically he could win this one.

To be honest I doubt Kuga is really as good as he declares, given the other girl constantly laughing at him.
What he indeed is is a showoff. - Whether he would prevail in a 1:1 against Souma if the latter can cook whatever he wants to is another thing.

Actually if Souma challenges Kuga, by school rules, Souma would be the one to call the theme.
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Old 2015-06-06, 21:37   Link #5962
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Except this barely counts as the first confrontation... Soma's trying to win the qualification to even be allowed that first confrontation.

Even though the dishes made by CRS is 'Kuga-quality' thanks to his training, it's still not Soma vs Kuga, but Soma vs Kuga's machinery.
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Old 2015-06-06, 22:03   Link #5963
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Ok, analytical question, if this isn't the event Souma is meant to succeed, what would you guys suggest would be a good first win after coming back from the Stagiare period?
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Old 2015-06-07, 20:02   Link #5964
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Ok, analytical question, if this isn't the event Souma is meant to succeed, what would you guys suggest would be a good first win after coming back from the Stagiare period?
I wouldn't say Souma isn't meant to succeed, it just depends on how you determine success. Defeating one of the 10 seats and taking his place isn't going to happen, but the 8th seat being forced to acknowledge that Souma isn't someone he can look down on would already be a success in my book.
As for Souma's next victory against a non-fodder character I figure it'll be against a 2nd or 3rd year student who will be revealed to have the skills but no interest in the 10 seats.
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Old 2015-06-07, 20:14   Link #5965
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I wouldn't say Souma isn't meant to succeed, it just depends on how you determine success. Defeating one of the 10 seats and taking his place isn't going to happen, but the 8th seat being forced to acknowledge that Souma isn't someone he can look down on would already be a success in my book.
As for Souma's next victory against a non-fodder character I figure it'll be against a 2nd or 3rd year student who will be revealed to have the skills but no interest in the 10 seats.
No interest? Did you mean "they have skills, but not enough to enter the 10 seats so they don't bother trying" or "they have enough skills to enter but just too lazy to do that". If it's the latter, I think he should just defeat the 10th seat instead, it should be easier.
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Old 2015-06-07, 22:36   Link #5966
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No interest? Did you mean "they have skills, but not enough to enter the 10 seats so they don't bother trying" or "they have enough skills to enter but just too lazy to do that". If it's the latter, I think he should just defeat the 10th seat instead, it should be easier.
Lazy to enter the elites yet u still advise one to defeat the 10th seat, dont u even think yourself sounds conflict

there are reasons for everything, be in the elite 10 is cool but can u do paper works as good as them? Can u create and arrange events? Can u take all responsibility if sth happen?

Just thinking about those question I already lost my motivation to try to enter the Elites even Eishi wants to go down from his seat so his job could be lighter but is there someone could take him down?
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Old 2015-06-07, 23:07   Link #5967
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Lazy to enter the elites yet u still advise one to defeat the 10th seat, dont u even think yourself sounds conflict

there are reasons for everything, be in the elite 10 is cool but can u do paper works as good as them? Can u create and arrange events? Can u take all responsibility if sth happen?

Just thinking about those question I already lost my motivation to try to enter the Elites even Eishi wants to go down from his seat so his job could be lighter but is there someone could take him down?
I was talking about Souma. The other guy said he should aim for someone other than Elite 10 as his next prey. And I said in case that person skilled enough to enter Elite 10 but too lazy to do so, meaning they must have the ability to take down someone in Elite 10 to enter it (but choose not to), it would be easier for Souma to aim for the lowest position, the 10th seat instead.
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Old 2015-06-07, 23:23   Link #5968
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The easiest way into the Elite 10 is to wait for the third years to graduate and let the power vacuum create an opportunity.
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Old 2015-06-07, 23:43   Link #5969
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Kuga looks like a fodder to me. So, I am completely OK for Soma to strip Kuga's throne with a little difficulty. Plus, Soma is definitely need to have one major win after his humiliated against curry boy. It is also a good opportunity to show that he had been levelled up a lot under his sifu's guidance.

I knew that he stomped a lot of fodders after his return but those fodders just don't leave a satisfying conclusion or indicator of New Soma's power. Kuga is a perfect candidates or stepping stone for Soma.
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Old 2015-06-08, 00:51   Link #5970
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Kuga looks like a fodder to me. So, I am completely OK for Soma to strip Kuga's throne with a little difficulty. Plus, Soma is definitely need to have one major win after his humiliated against curry boy. It is also a good opportunity to show that he had been levelled up a lot under his sifu's guidance.

I knew that he stomped a lot of fodders after his return but those fodders just don't leave a satisfying conclusion or indicator of New Soma's power. Kuga is a perfect candidates or stepping stone for Soma.
Are you trying to imply that the 8th seat is actually weaker than the 10th seat? Or do you actually believe Elite 10 is numbered from 0 to 9?
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Old 2015-06-08, 00:57   Link #5971
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Are you trying to imply that the 8th seat is actually weaker than the 10th seat? Or do you actually believe Elite 10 is numbered from 0 to 9?
Well the seat number has very little to do with how good they are actually at cooking.
It only says that they have beaten the previous seat of their number.

And in Erina's case it is fair to say that she would probably end up being superior.

the other thing is the Elite 10 have no obligation to accept a Shoukugeki. So basically someone far worse than the 10th seat could sit on seat 1 if they beat the previous 1st seat and then refuse to accept any Shoukugeki's.
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Old 2015-06-08, 02:06   Link #5972
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Are you trying to imply that the 8th seat is actually weaker than the 10th seat? Or do you actually believe Elite 10 is numbered from 0 to 9?
Or maybe because 9th and 10th had been dodging Soma's challenge since beginning and the 8th happened to put a condition for Soma to trigger it?

It is all about the circumstances. If 1st said that he will accept Soma's challenge if Soma beat him in the festival, you can bet that Soma will go into the third section of the building and challenge his stand. Soma doesn't give a damn on the seat ranking.

As for their power level, i think anything below 7th seat is just roughly equal level.
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Old 2015-06-08, 03:15   Link #5973
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I am more curious how they gained their positions? Was it due to defeat of previous seat member or just because other seats graduated from the academy
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Old 2015-06-08, 03:21   Link #5974
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I am more curious how they gained their positions? Was it due to defeat of previous seat member or just because other seats graduated from the academy
I'm curious about that as well. They must have some method to fill empty seats when people graduate.
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Old 2015-06-08, 04:15   Link #5975
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the only thing that made me curious is what's stopping the E10 from protecting their seat and power by saying "NO" to all shokugeki challenge until they graduated from the school?
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Old 2015-06-08, 04:17   Link #5976
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LOL mate, u serious? that battle absolutely followed Shounen tropes- the MC never wins the first big tournament. Dragon Ball, Naruto, Boku hero plus more all follow that trope
This further reinforces my belief the Megumi-camp here is entirely.. something else.

I mean.. how could he have not known that?

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That was just bad writing
I beg to differ.

Spoiler for brilliant afterthoughts from a poster in another forum, in which I highly concur with:


BUT I would concede though the timing of Hayama's flashback could have been better executed.

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@Relentless
Thanks for clearing that up.
Did you actually summon him here?

Either way, I'm surprised such a basic rule could've flown over your head.

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Actually he already lost in his first big battle. So theoretically he could win this one.
He could, but the process has to be 'realistic', or else it'll just be an asspull.

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To be honest I doubt Kuga is really as good as he declares, given the other girl constantly laughing at him.
Bad relations =/= cooking abilities

I thought this was clearly highlighted during the tea ceremony, by Megumi.

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What he indeed is is a showoff. - Whether he would prevail in a 1:1 against Souma if the latter can cook whatever he wants to is another thing.
He's an E10, not some scrub, so I don't know why you're underestimating him, since its clear the gulf exists between the group & normal students, as explained in the recent chapter.

Souma will always be the underdog, no matter how you look at it.

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Actually if Souma challenges Kuga, by school rules, Souma would be the one to call the theme.
[Citation needed]
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Old 2015-06-08, 05:37   Link #5977
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I am back after my few month hiatus and his face at the end of this chapter is priceless lol
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Old 2015-06-08, 05:40   Link #5978
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Did you actually summon him here?
Nope.
He probably reads the Manga too.

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Either way, I'm surprised such a basic rule could've flown over your head.
You are kidding right?

The one who was questioning my, notably correct, understanding of when spoiler tags are needed and whether untranslated material may be discussed was you


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Bad relations =/= cooking abilities
No one says he is bad, what I question is whether he is actually as good as he claims, especially when its non-chinese cooking.
All we saw him do until now is using high end ingredients he can probably only afford due to his position.

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He's an E10, not some scrub, so I don't know why you're underestimating him, since its clear the gulf exists between the group & normal students, as explained in the recent chapter.
A gulf which he basically admitted exists due to his access to the academy's funds.

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Souma will always be the underdog, no matter how you look at it.
You mean like in his Shoukugeki vs Nikumi, the copy cat guy, and all the 2nd years he defeated?


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[Citation needed]
Everytime someone was visibly challenged to a Shoukugeki, the challenger decided the theme.
the only exception was when the copy cat challenged people, which is however an entirely different story as he could care less about what they would be cooking since he was going to make exactly the same in the first place.

in fat Nikumi even said that she will let Souma set the dish, inclining that the right to do so is hers( Which she made use of in the end anyhow.)
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Old 2015-06-08, 05:53   Link #5979
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You are kidding right?

The one who was questioning my, notably correct, understanding of when spoiler tags are needed and whether untranslated material may be discussed was you
Not sure what you're saying there.

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No one says he is bad, what I question is whether he is actually as good as he claims, especially when its non-chinese cooking.
All we saw him do until now is using high end ingredients he can probably only afford due to his position.
Pure speculation, at best. Going by your logic, the rest of the seats are the same.

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A gulf which he basically admitted exists due to his access to the academy's funds.
Yes, and? A normal student can improve on his own, without the resources from Tootuski? What's your point?

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You mean like in his Shoukugeki vs Nikumi, the copy cat guy, and all the 2nd years he defeated?
Yup, they're all E10 material, just like Yugi.

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Everytime someone was visibly challenged to a Shoukugeki, the challenger decided the theme.
the only exception was when the copy cat challenged people, which is however an entirely different story as he could care less about what they would be cooking since he was going to make exactly the same in the first place.

in fat Nikumi even said that she will let Souma set the dish, inclining that the right to do so is hers( Which she made use of in the end anyhow.)
I need an official citation from the manga regarding that aspect of Shokugeki, not your own interpretation.
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Old 2015-06-08, 06:13   Link #5980
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Pure speculation, at best. Going by your logic, the rest of the seats are the same.
Just that none of the other, notably not even Erina, is posing as much as he does.

Who knows how many people better at cooking than him actually already challanged him to and he just declined like he did it with Souma.


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Yes, and? A normal student can improve on his own, without the resources from Tootuski? What's your point?
So a normal student has the money to buy ancient cooking books? I am in doubt.


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Yup, they're all E10 material, just like Yugi.
Yes and what did Souma do? He defeated all of them without real effort.



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I need an official citation from the manga regarding that aspect of Shokugeki, not your own interpretation.
Or you could accept how Shoukugeki's have been working the entire time in both the Manga and the anime?


Call it 'my' interpretation if you want, but until this point whoever issued the challange always got to decide the theme, aside from the Copy Cat case where he could not only care less about the theme, due to his intentions to cook exactly the same, but also couldn't really decide the topic either as it was given by the event staff.

There is really not much to citate there - that is how all the Shoukugeki's have worked.
Thus until a differnt working has ben shown, it is more like comments saying that the challenged has the right to decide the thme need citation.
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