2010-10-17, 15:24 | Link #121 |
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I was rewatching some old naruto fights and what annoys me is the spamming of the clone technique. I understand using them as diversions, but i will be glad when he do his techniques with his own power and hand and without the help of two clones making his wind technique for him.
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2010-10-17, 18:14 | Link #122 | |
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I don't mind criticism, but I just realized that there are ways to criticize without putting other people's taste into question. I should just drop Bleach, really, and I've thought about it but then, what would I do with those extra 5-10 minutes on a Friday afternoon.. I don't know, I just don't know. |
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2010-10-17, 19:37 | Link #124 |
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Say what? It is Dr. Common Sense
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I am tired and sick of all this complaints of how Naruto this and Naruto that...I have not seen one comment that has grounds for complaints. I dare you to prove me wrong. I am fed up of these dried up wannabes who know nothing about the series suddenly becoming an expert on Narutopedia. Please don’t post comments alleging of how the dead are arising, Naruto’s power ups, Kishi’s lack of creativity…need I say more. Let me address to you all by saying if don’t know much about Naruto I suggest reading from the first chapter because since its creation it has maintained a consistent level of storytelling, masterful artwork and so forth. It is irritating when someone with little knowledge about the series criticizes on baseless grounds. It is not a sin to admit that you don’t know but to blame the author and the manga is degrading. If you don’t like the series then please stop reading it, no one is putting a gun to your head. Now let’s get on with the questions raised shall we? I don’t know why everyone kept saying how Deidra could come back alive since he was obliterated. Then add to say that Kishi is using old foes and lacking on coming up with new one is just tasteless. If you actually pay attention to the jutsu, it doesn’t revive the person from the grave literally in physical terms but bring back their soul. I think there is a difference between soul and body if I am not mistaken. The first and second hokage’s body Orochimaru used was different people. The second thing is how Naruto lacks power ups or something between Naruto not acquiring enough Justsus or learning new Jutsus. Let me clarify by saying that what makes a good shinobi is not how much jutsus he knows or can aptly demonstrate but using the given resources adamantly. This is Naruto’s forte; it is what makes him a genius, his ability to improvise according to his surroundings. It is not the size that matters but how you use it. Next time a one on one conversation with Dr. Common Sense, please stay tuned…(cheeky music…da..da..) |
2010-10-17, 20:37 | Link #125 |
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I remember Jiraiya dealing with this in part I when he was fighting Orochimaru. How he was saying it wasn't about the amount of jutsu but resolve. *shrug* Not that Naruto even lacks jutsu with his Kuchiyose, where the frogs can actually do the suiton and the genjutsu for him.
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2010-10-17, 23:47 | Link #126 |
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I can't wait till Deidara finds out Sasuke is alive. Orochibuto is pretty damn powerful. I see it now when he faces Naruto he is going to use Edo Tensei and resurrect Jiraiya. What's Naruto gonna do then?
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2010-10-18, 00:37 | Link #127 | ||
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I guess it is clear now that we have zombies and Zetsu fodder because Kishi didn't want to create new villains. Why create someone new when you can bring back an already developed character like Deidara? But I hope these are the only zombies we see. Quote:
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2010-10-18, 08:36 | Link #129 | |
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First off, be careful of who are you calling wanabees, most of the members here have been posting in these forum for years, so they are hardly wanabees, however, in your case, you only have months posting around here, so you should be the last person doing that. Second, While Kishi have made an interesting universe and story with lots of colorful character, it is hard to pass by the fact that, Kishi revived old and defeated bad guys and created a clone army for the sake to patch up a plot problem. Any other writer would had just introduce us to new characters, instead of been lazy and just reviving old ones, including Itachi and Sasori. Itachi revival only diminished how powerful it was his Death, and Sasori revival only deletes the struggle and subsequent sacrifice of Chiyo. In a sense ,Kishi is just backstabbing himself, as he is just flat out saying that in his universe there are no more S-class Nin or rogue Ninjas available. And please don’t tell people who have spent 5 years of their lives reading this manga to stop reading it, as reader and posters of this forum they have the right to complaint about it. I myself have found a lack of taste for reading this manga in the last 10 or 15 chapters, and the revivals of all these character plus the Star wars attack of the clones copy paste have only made things worst for me.
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2010-10-18, 09:38 | Link #130 | |
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As far as flying, there has been only 4 people with the ability and only Deidara really uses it as one of his gimmick. |
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2010-10-18, 11:00 | Link #131 | ||
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Some chapters are of course better than others, and his talent may appear more apparent during some weeks than others, but I think its pretty clear how much of a excellent story teller he is, and so I understand some peoples(like dr. common sense up there) frustration when reading these kinds of posts. No author is without dry spells, or periods where they put out work that isn't their best... But dammit if a *spoiler* doesn't come out without some fanatic ranting and raving about some "plot-hole" they allegedly discovered, and it of course turns out that a) the alleged "plot-hole" is actually an entirely plausible and explainable development, and b) they don't even fully understand what the term "plot-hole" means, but pass it around as a buzzword anyway. Well in regards to the clone army, if they were clones, humans, or pokemon, they would've been fodder anyway, and not terribly significant to the main story. Usually the army simply follows one of the main character's momentum.... So, when Naruto starts beating up whoever and making a comeback, the Konoha army will likely suddenly start winning.... They don't really mean much to the story regardless. Last edited by Midnight Commander; 2010-10-18 at 11:16. |
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2010-10-18, 11:22 | Link #132 | |
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2010-10-18, 12:23 | Link #133 |
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That's what I thought was going to happen in the first place. A Godzilla Destroy All Monsters-like rampage with the tailed beasts that the villagers would have to band together to combat. It would have been a perfect chance to show off some of the tailed beasts that we never saw in action as well. Madara really didn't need troops at all to wage this war. He's already holding 7 nukes.
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2010-10-18, 12:28 | Link #134 |
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Or found a way to turn the villages against each other to create the war that way. Something a master manipulator would do. This would setup interesting good guy versus good guy fights with Konoha as the focus. Still possible, but very unlikely now. It would have been a lot more interesting than what we have now. Good guys vs. evil guys who are mostly zombies or clones. So the good guys can kill as many as they want without any of the moral dilemmas that come with war.
I was thinking where Sasuke might pop back up. He is really stuck on the sidelines because of Naruto. He claimed his only target is now Naruto. I don't put any stock in Kishi's interviews(remember 2010 is the Year of Kakashi!) but he did say Sasuke vs. Naruto would be toward the end of the manga. So what can Sasuke do till then? He can't just stay on the shelf for another 200 chapters while the Alliance plays Protect the Flag with Naruto. I believe the best thing would be for Sasuke to attack Konoha to test his eyes. He got Danzou so he should go for the elders. It's a great setup since you figure so many of the top Konoha forces are in Kumo right now. And it also would be a chance for the Konoha 11(I am pretty sure characters like Shika and maybe Neji are in Kumo though) to get some shine. Sasuke cannot kill any of the Konoha 11 for plot reasons, but he can hurt them. A lot of people were looking forward to Sasuke vs. the Rookies and Kishi just dropped it. Also it would teach Naruto another life lesson. He assumed that Konoha was safe since he convinced Sasuke to go after him instead of the village.
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2010-10-18, 12:51 | Link #135 | |
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You don’t have to be a good writer to tell or say this... is like saying you can’t mention Dragon Ball the movie was crap just because you don’t have the directing ability of the movie director. Regarding the clones, what James said. Kishi could had pulled an army no names like Oro had for his sound Village if is just fodders. Now instead we are going to see a war against an army of half naked man-plants. the fact of the number Kishi used for the army and that he used clones is a good indicator that Kishi just thought of that recently to solve his predicament with the upcoming war. Seems like Deux Ex to me.
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2010-10-18, 12:55 | Link #136 | |
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Kishimoto probably dropped the Rookie 9 vs Sasuke storyline because there was no way for him to make any battle between them believable. He already had Sasuke attempt and fail to kill Sakura(twice) and Karin. How would he explain the entire Konoha 11 surviving against Sasuke? A Sasuke who is crazy enough to think they are all laughing about Itachi. It would be too much of a replay of the Kage Summit battle. And we already had enough Sasuke fanservice. We need Rookie 9 fanservice. |
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2010-10-18, 13:06 | Link #137 | |
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That's the face I made when I came to the realization that it could happen. It never even crossed my mind. I really, really, REALLY hope it doesn't happen. Jiraiya is one of the most beloved characters -- to use him with Edo Tensei would just be effed up. It'd really turn me off from reading the manga.
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Even the idea that the missingnin are not willing to work with him does not seem that great of a reason... afterall, most of Akatsuki were manipulated into helping him. He doesn't need these ninjas to actually identify with his plans, all he needs to do is find out what they want, and make a false promise to give them what they want. Quote:
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Madara probably could have also spent decades brining the smaller villages under his control so that if he did need a personal army to strike back he could exploit these smaller villages; though this would work best only after the major nations had beaten the crap out of each other... combined the smaller nations might be rather worthwhile in at least taking down one nation, such as kohona Last edited by Slayerx; 2010-10-18 at 13:25. |
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2010-10-18, 13:22 | Link #139 | ||
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So, no-names fighting clones, no-names fighting huge beasts, or no-names fighting some other rag-tag no-name thug gang from the other cities; not much difference in my eyes; they'll all be relatively boring. Essentially none of them mean anything to us, since we don't know them (the beasts, rag-tag thugs, clones, fodder ninja), and no time will be wasted for us to know them to have any sentiment for any of them. The fight will just serve as a distraction, which we have enough of already (and more interesting ones at that, such as Kabuto's mysterious agenda). |
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2010-10-18, 13:28 | Link #140 | |
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Naruto will have demon-sage powers, he already did show demon chakra-arms against Sasuke and Orochimaru, so why not wings of chakra? |
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