2011-07-13, 03:18 | Link #8181 |
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What's the big issue again?
Eba knows that Haruto's friends are going to resent him for his decision (end of chapter 141), and she knows that she'll be resented too, but she's OKAY with it. Being with the guy she loves takes precedence, and that's a pretty reasonable point of view. Haruto's reaction was understandable, too. He's been friends with the others for ages, and naturally that is something deeply ingrained in you that you can't quickly shrug off simply because you have a serious falling-out with them. However, he realizes that he can't ask them to help him support a development (getting close to Eba) that they directly oppose. That's why he broke off and shut up. And let me be frank here: If they seriously rescind their friendship over this development, they have a really crappy idea what being friends means. Then they haven't been real friends at all. So, at the moment, Eba acts most reasonable out of all. |
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2011-07-13, 07:22 | Link #8184 | |
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But in all honesty, it was pretty clear how superficial the friendship was from the moment that they issued their ultimatum. You can't demand things in a relationship, you can only offer. |
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2011-07-13, 08:05 | Link #8185 | |||||
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it's true that friends should be there even how big the problem is, but it is also their duty to shape you as a man that is worth their friendship. who wants to back up a friend who doesn't even listen to your advice? he's a friend that told you something like this but done something like that.. if he has problems, u advise him; if he's confused, u pull him back on track; if he lacks courage, you push him forward. but in the end, your efforts were useless... can't u see, they also feel responsible for asuka's heartbreak because they supported haruto to date asuka... not to mention, she is also a friend, and a good person overall... it was his choice not to fix this situation...a reasonable explanation is all they need. a friend is a friend, even if you just known her yesterday... i am viewing this clearly with my naked eye... Quote:
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i dont know how ur logic works but that's how i find Haruto... i'll give u an example: Haruto: "maybe this girl can help me forget Eba" (Haruto thinking, directed to nanami) if you are haruto what will you be thinking? -if it fails, then i'll move on, she'll cry for a week then she'll move on too... it's a normal occurrence.. -wow, she's offering herself, she's cute with a couple of nice racks... i'll just play along and enjoy it... -(Me): i cant do this, we dont feel the same for each other, this is unfair to her... we've been close to each other lately.. she doesnt deserve to be hurt later...(ive actually done this, but the darkness inside me wanted the second option) i think i know what you'll pick... and what do you think haruto picked?
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2011-07-13, 10:18 | Link #8186 |
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I think everyone has a different moral standard when it comes to Haruto and his friend issue. This might be what Seo had in mind all along. Also, as i stated when i compare the reactions of westerners to the reactions of native nihonjin the reactions are quite opposite from one another. So its obvious that everyone moral standard and possible upbringing will alter their perspective of the situation. What does a friend mean to you? Is a friend entitled to make mistakes over and over and you forgive them? when does one terminate a friendship? everyone's answers are differ.
Right now i honestly think the best thing is Haruto and his friends to have space from once another. Time heals wounds or makes them fester we will see which one emerges here. I understand his friends annoyance with him i may not support their decision but i understand it. I believe some should look at the situation from a culture stand point and see how they feel afterwards.
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2011-07-13, 10:26 | Link #8187 |
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I'm really surprised ( mixed by angst and hated ) when I knew it was Asuka who feels the guilt.
Haruto is the one that supposed to take the guilt and go first for forgiveness. Now--- It's Asuka who come first, taking the guilt, right after we see her trying to smile with her friends. Haruto, you're the worst. |
2011-07-13, 10:47 | Link #8188 | |
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2011-07-13, 11:03 | Link #8189 |
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well I kinda agree with it since from my perspective I have always like yuzuki and she's the one deserving with the stunt Seo pulled although my personally feelings asides, Asuka represents no one... she's not even a character with any development. I still don't understand why people like her. btw please leave the ichigo 100% comparison out of this thread.
Vansonbee can't seem to set aside his person opinion ic. objectively speaking yuzuki is the first girl who went out with haruto and also becoming the returning girl. She left him for a similar reason to study at a different school/family. P.S the manga is so much more fun with with Yuzuki returning. |
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2011-07-13, 11:46 | Link #8191 |
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her face showed me that she is probably aware that his friends are angry with him and there is tension between them but i dont feel she has knowledge of the ultimatum or the ending of the friendships. Well we see things differently once again no biggie
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2011-07-13, 12:02 | Link #8192 | |
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I'm expecting them to come around eventually. Not to approve of his ditching of Asuka, but to stay friends with him. Especially Takashi and Akari, who have been friends with Haruto for a long time. Otherwise all of the supposed friendship development up until now would've been meaningless. |
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i'm talking about your strong belief on "if were not meant to be...".. and maybe you haven't experienced the situations in this manga yet? if you have different experiences, you also have a different look into their situations... as for me, ive had similar experiences with some characters in my younger days so i keep on reading this manga... Quote:
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in chapter 75, haruto chose the 2nd option from the start, but switched to the 1st after talking with nanami... fortunately, the wind favored nanami and haruto read the letter from eba... but in asuka's case, it was a direct 1st option, then the wind came to save her after 2 years... do you really feel her situation now? or you can just feel haruto's?
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2011-07-14, 00:15 | Link #8195 |
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Where are some of you guys getting that he went out with Asuka for 2 years? In chapter 110 Takashi says Haruto has been with Asuka a year and they haven't done it yet. Then later after Haruto tells Takashi that he met Yuzuki at a mixer, Takashi mentions how she dumped Haruto 2 years ago. That is the only mention I found of 2 years.... so Haruto should have only been together with Asuka for about a year instead of 2 years.
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bestfriends also fight... there are also times that you're fed up with his practical jokes or his foolishness..tired of advising but still he sniffs some coke... some childhood friends would chicken out in a rumble while some friends will pick you up when you're knocked down... or, are you the kind of guy who will ignore your friend #2, because they are on bad terms with your childhood friend? read the situation dude, it's not because you know someone longer doesnt mean you should favor him every time... Quote:
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and btw, you asked me "why should Seo take your moral standards into consideration when writing HIS story?" so this statement was already imaginary, that's why i used "if we knew each other, KNIM might be different.." - of course, i might have significance in his life if we are friends... Quote:
so you already answered my questions above... you used your current GF that time to forget your fiance... so... yeah...what's wrong with that.... having lingering feelings says you want her back if u can... Asuka pushing herself to haruto is not the issue here... it is Haruto dating and using her was the problem... the poor girl believed all the lies and dumped her after seeing the ex... he has something to look forward to, while the one left behind have nothing...
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PLEASE STOP FIGHTING PEOPLE? lol... All that needs to be said is Haruto is a F@G like Makoto from School Days. I even half expected Asuka to be holding a knife behind her back when they saw each other at the apartment LOL. anyway....
My opinion on the matter: Nobody should be blamed for anything, but rather the opinions should be limited to disapproval. LIKE HOW I DISAPPROVE OF HARUTO'S CHOICE YA BETCH. And I kinda disapprove of Eba continuing to want to go out with Haruto even know she knew Asuka would be hurt.. --------------------------------- Quote:
------------------- Sadly if the current development stays, Asuka will be left behind in pain with nothing left. She may heal, but since this is a manga, such choices possibilities shouldn't be considered at this point. Generally, Haruto isn't at fault necessarily for his choice, he went with what he truly felt, an innocent personality compared to Makoto from school days who had his brain in his pants. However what I disapprove is the results. Haruto basically fell in mutual love with Asuka, then cast her away ( shes basically a leftover ). Well like I said, if this development stays this way, nothing can be done. Only thing I wish is for Asuka to find happiness. Facts: 1. Haruto isn't a bad guy, his intention's arean't evil, just a dense guy trying to go through life. He does feel bad about Asuka, but what is he to do when he falls in love AGAIN? 2. Stating If's won't prove anything, but its quite entertaining to think about. 3. Trying to compare the manga's setting with personal experience and trying to back up opinions with it is pointless. No 2 situations are the same, similar or not, consider the factors and look at the content. --------------- Quote:
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