2007-01-21, 16:38 | Link #1181 |
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I just finished Fate/stay night and I loved it.
I think I understand all of it, and it was a great Anime. A bit sad ending though, but still. was kind of hoping that Saber and Shiro would be allowed to be together, but that never happends in Series like this one so I kind of knew Saber had to leave. This is probably a question asked 1000 times before but I'll still ask: any chance of a continuation of the series? like...10 years later another holy grale war appears and Shire is choosen again? whould have been nice though. Personally I don't think it will be made but I'll still ask if anybody have heard something about anything like this?
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2007-01-21, 18:23 | Link #1182 | |
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There are several F/SN animation options, none of which are actual "true" sequels. Here's a list from the most to least likely: 1) Fate/Zero. The prequel to Fate/Stay Night, featuring Kiritsugu. Takes place ten years before, with a completely different cast of characters. 2) Unlimited Blade Works/Heaven's Feel. The other scenarios from Fate/Stay Night. Less likely than F/Z since the anime had some parts of these scenarios. 3) Remake, a la Fate/Stay Night [Realta Nua]. A complete animated remake of the entire game, consisting of all the scenarios. Obviously less likely than animations of separate scenarios. 4) Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. It is, by definition, the most "true" sequel to Fate/Stay Night. It is also the least likely to be animated at this point, due to complete lack of information given by the anime. |
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2007-02-06, 12:43 | Link #1183 |
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SO....who was Archer?! (in the anime.) I've never played the game. And I was expecting to see the anime go over his background, since they did with the rest of the servants....but that didn't happen!!
Why did he act like he knew Saber personally?! Did he? Will he be in Fate/Zero? |
2007-02-06, 15:02 | Link #1184 | |
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2007-02-08, 18:56 | Link #1190 | |
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What I really don't get is why no one figured out that Shirou was the young Archer since he did the tracing technique and traced Archer's swords!!! I mean come ooooon.... |
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2007-02-09, 00:16 | Link #1191 |
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Most likely nothing? How about the whole "Wait...how did you become a servant...no wait....what happened in your version of the grail war?!" part. Its implied rin and shirou had a relationship after the grail war ended. Then theres also shirou and saber's relationship.
Its implied rin figured out, or at least suspected, that shirou and archer are linked somehow..."No way....kanshou and bukaya?!". But most people are just going to think that shirou traced those BECAUSE he saw archer using them. |
2007-02-23, 16:25 | Link #1196 | |
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2007-02-24, 06:12 | Link #1197 | |
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Does that mean the portal Gilgamesh summons with all the swords is also an reality marble and the energy blast he shoots from his turbine sword ishis noble phantasm? |
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2007-02-24, 11:43 | Link #1198 | |
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Unlimited Blade Works allows the user to recreate weapons after encountering them. This Reality Marble contains all the materials necessary for such tasks, though something that cannot be recreated with the known elements (such as Avalon or Ea) cannot be created. This can be done even while the Unlimited Blade Works is not deployed (expanded a la the last part of Archer vs Berserker anime battle). In doing so, the user is essentially creating something from nothing. Gate of Babylon is not a Reality Marble as it does not override reality. Gate of Babylon instead opens a portal to Gilgamesh's already existing vault of treasures, which he can use as he pleases. This is significantly different from Unlimited Blade Works, as Gate of Babylon simply transports the weapons, whereas Unlimited Blade Works creates them. The "turbine sword" (Ea) is a Noble Phantasm, though the energy blast is not. Actually, it shouldn't even be an energy blast (as seen in the anime), as Ea only contains and compresses air. This highly compressed wind is used to then open a spact/time rift, which "slices" through the intended target. The maximum output can be achieved when Enuma Elish is used as the activation word. |
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2007-02-24, 13:31 | Link #1199 |
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I have a question too: Please read last line of my post if you think my post is too long.
Hmm...I personally don't think UBW is a Noble Phantasm. Even though in the game it did say UBW is one. The defination of a Noble Phantasm is a materialized legend isn't it? For a Noble Phantasm the principal rule is that there is a 'legend' about it. However there's no legend about the UBW at all, so I don't like the idea of calling UBW a Noble Phantasm. Having read Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime, here's my version of explanation of UBW: Unlimited Blade Works, or Reality Marble is an incomplete Marble Phantasm. Where the wielder of Marble Phantasm can create something out of nothing without any limitations, the wielder of a Reality Marble, can only create things that are within his/her 'own world'. That is, what's most significant of a person's inner heart. For example, if there's a computer freak wielding a Reality Marble, what he can summon are basically computer-related items, such as processors or programs. Of course, if the computer freak one day changes and become a ero-game freak, then his Reality Marble will no longer be able to summon computer chips, but lots of CG, or even CD of those games. Also when a Reality Marble is switched off, the 'true' reality comes back, while a Marble Phantasm is capable of destroying the reality it erodes away and staying there without switching off. To make it even more simple, let's start from the lower level of Reality Marble related magic: tracing/projection. Think of a projector in real life: You put images into the projector and project it onto a screen and an image is created. Same for tracing magic: You put concepts in your magic circuit and project it onto reality and an object is created. Now imagine you have a thousand projectors and a thousand screens completely surrounding you. Don't mind how you cramp all the projectors together, but now each projector is projecting a fraction of an image onto each of the screens. There, a 'world' made by picture is created. The 'reality' around you disappeared as you are surrounded by screens, and with the projections you create an imaginary world around you. Similar for Reality Marble. You open up multiple magic circuits and have them project different objects around the reality you are in. Only this time the objects projects are not limited by images, but also objects, atoms, air and even time flow. This is how I think a Reality Marble works. Now for Shirou's case. Shirou did not learn Reality Marble properly like a magician do. Therefore, his reality marble is not complete. Unlimited Blade Works is actually not a projection of his inner heart, but a projection of his alaya-naya, or 'source' in English. Shirou's 'source' is swords. And therefore his Reality Marble is UBW--it's not Shirou's inner heart eroding the real world, but the entity of 'Emiya Shirou's existence' eroding the real world. That is, even if Emiya Shirou is to one day turn into a skateboard otaku his Reality Marble is still UBW. But since Emiya Shirou is so close to his 'source' I don't think he would be pick up any non-sword related hobby... I often compare Emiya Shirou with Ryogo Shiki from Kara no Kyokai--they both are close to the 'source' in different ways. While Shiki is able to directly open a communication path and understand the 'source', Emiya Shirou is constantly communicating with the 'source' however he only see the sword part of the 'source' To sum it up: Reality Marble = incompletely/weaker form of Marble Phantasm. Unlimited Blade Works = incomplete Reality Marble backed up by the 'source' So: UBW = a very broken form of Marble Phantasm backed up by the 'source' Of course, this theory is just me gathering bits and pieces from the 3 novel works of Nasu---there is no evidence what-so-ever that backs me up so only believe what you like: it's A-OK if you completely/partially disagree on my theory. Question! Q: Is Saber's Excalibur and Caliburn a one-handed or two-handed sword? It looks like one-handed to me, but Saber is always wielding it with two hands... |
2007-02-24, 14:22 | Link #1200 | |
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Marble Phantasm is limited to reality, so it can only do what can be done in reality. All it does is manipulate luck so that the intended action, no matter how small of a possibility it has to happen, occurs. However, it has to be possible to do in reality. Here's the analogy: You have a jar containing a million red marbles and one blue marble. Marble Phantasm allows the blue marble to be picked each and every single time. However, you cannot pick out a marble of any color other than blue or red, as it is impossible. Reality Marble is not limited to the rules of reality, but rather creates a brand new reality. However, this reality is incredibly limited to one theme, and thus doesn't have the same kind of variety a Marble Phantasm does. It can't be considered a projection, as it actually overrides reality itself. This is why there is a ring of fire surrounding Archer when he summoned Unlimited Blade Works (as shown in the anime), as it is the actual "friction" between his reality and true reality. Here's the analogy: You have a jar containing marbles of many colors. If there exists a Reality Marble that can change every single marble's color to blue, then the user will always be able to pick a blue marble. However, as long as that Reality Marble is active, no other marble color can be chosen, as the Reality Marble can only do one thing. Reality Marble and Marble Phantasms are completely different things. Also, here's my take on UBW: As everybody pretty much knows, Archer is not a real Heroic Spirit, but rather a Counter Guardian. This means that his existence is based not upon the observation of people, but rather the observation of the world that forged the pact. That was how EMIYA was able to be a legendary figure without even being legendary at all. If something defines a legend, then that something can also be considered to be legendary. Unlimited Blade Works is Emiya Shirou's signature power, as it is from this Reality Marble that he derives most (actually, all) of his strength from. Thus, it is a symbol of the Counter Guardian EMIYA, and therefore a legend in itself. In that sense, it can be considered a Noble Phantasm. And for your question, I don't really know. :X |
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