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Ithekro · 2012-02-28, 04:18

Israel says it won't warn U.S. before a strike against Iran

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Israeli officials said that if they eventually decide a strike is necessary, they would keep the Americans in the dark to decrease the likelihood that the U.S. would be held responsible for failing to stop Israel's potential attack. The U.S. has been working with the Israelis for months to persuade them that an attack would be only a temporary setback to Iran's nuclear program

Is it too early (or too late perhaps) to say "I have a bad feeling about this"?

ganbaru · 2012-02-28, 04:37

The question is would the US shoot down a Israelian attack against Iran ?
Probably not but should they ?

MrTerrorist · 2012-02-28, 05:01

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Originally Posted by ganbaru

The question is would the US shoot down a Israelian attack against Iran ?
Probably not but should they ?

Well it depends of the consequences. If they don't, the Arab nations will be pissed on the US for doing nothing to stop it while Israel will thank the US for allowing the strike. If they do, Israel will be going "WTH, aren't we allies?' and some pro-Israeli politicians might accuse the US of being anti-semite while the Arab nations will thank the US from stopping a huge international disaster. No matter the response, the US is screwed by get alienated by one of their allies while getting support from the other.

The best choice IMO is that Israel cancels planning the airstrike.

SaintessHeart · 2012-02-28, 05:26

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Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Well it depends of the consequences. If they don't, the Arab nations will be pissed on the US for doing nothing to stop it while Israel will thank the US for allowing the strike. If they do, Israel will be going "WTH, aren't we allies?' and some pro-Israeli politicians might accuse the US of being anti-semite while the Arab nations will thank the US from stopping a huge international disaster. No matter the response, the US is screwed by get alienated by one of their allies while getting support from the other.

The best choice IMO is that Israel cancels planning the airstrike.

Actually that would be impossible given the stubborness and stupidity of the Iranian leaders.

I would say, go ahead with the strike. Let there be war. It's time to settle this retarded little dispute once an for all; since those useless religious radicals enjoy sacrificing themselves, let them run across the minefields or towards machine-gun positions all they want.

Once we have enough moderates becoming disillusioned with the radicals, those worthless pieces of junk can be ignored and rot at some corner of the society. Those nuts are not just messing with oil prices, they are making Muslims around the world look like a bunch of pedophilic, AK-47 toting terminators who shoots people whose religion is not Islam, as well as Jews being stereotyped as professional confidence tricksters who cheat the world out of their money.

Kamui4356 · 2012-02-28, 07:42

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Originally Posted by ganbaru

The question is would the US shoot down a Israelian attack against Iran ?
Probably not but should they ?

The US isn't really in a position to do that. The very first thing they'll do is try to get any carrier battle groups in the Persian Gulf out of it as quickly as possible. The Gulf is really not where you want a carrier group if you're risking a fight with Iran until you've suppressed their anti-ship missile capability and small attack craft. Doesn't leave much time for launching an interception, even if they were willing. Most likely they'd immediately launch fighters for a CAP to cover a withdrawal from the gulf.

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Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Well it depends of the consequences. If they don't, the Arab nations will be pissed on the US for doing nothing to stop it while Israel will thank the US for allowing the strike. If they do, Israel will be going "WTH, aren't we allies?' and some pro-Israeli politicians might accuse the US of being anti-semite while the Arab nations will thank the US from stopping a huge international disaster. No matter the response, the US is screwed by get alienated by one of their allies while getting support from the other.

The best choice IMO is that Israel cancels planning the airstrike.

Arab countries generally don't like Iran any more than they like Israel and any Israeli strike is going to need at least tacit approval from arab nations for overflights.

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Actually that would be impossible given the stubborness and stupidity of the Iranian leaders.

I would say, go ahead with the strike. Let there be war. It's time to settle this retarded little dispute once an for all; since those useless religious radicals enjoy sacrificing themselves, let them run across the minefields or towards machine-gun positions all they want.

Once we have enough moderates becoming disillusioned with the radicals, those worthless pieces of junk can be ignored and rot at some corner of the society. Those nuts are not just messing with oil prices, they are making Muslims around the world look like a bunch of pedophilic, AK-47 toting terminators who shoots people whose religion is not Islam, as well as Jews being stereotyped as professional confidence tricksters who cheat the world out of their money.

Realistically speaking, an Israeli strike on Iran probably won't spark a wider war. It also won't stop Iran from making nuclear weapons. It might delay them a few years, but any delay will probably be offset by Iran redoubling their efforts to build nuclear weapons, as Israel will have just proven conclusively that Iran needs a nuclear deterrent.

Mr Hat and Clogs · 2012-02-28, 08:24

I saw a report once. A navy admiral was tasked with destroying/inflicting mass damage to a carrier group in a simulation. I think he nigh on wiped one out in a few hours using small high speed boats essentially armed with rocket launchers and basic hit and run tactics. It seems carrier groups are (were?) woefully inadequate in dealing with small boats wielding rockets and so on. Basically it was a simulation of the US vs Iran (and other Gulf 'navies'), the US lost badly. Their were some red faces afterwards I imagine, here you have millions or even billions in tech, and you get cleaned up by what is essentially Russian surplus and an alarmingly basic strategy.

Xellos-_^ · 2012-02-28, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Mr Hat and Clogs

I saw a report once. A navy admiral was tasked with destroying/inflicting mass damage to a carrier group in a simulation. I think he nigh on wiped one out in a few hours using small high speed boats essentially armed with rocket launchers and basic hit and run tactics. It seems carrier groups are (were?) woefully inadequate in dealing with small boats wielding rockets and so on. Basically it was a simulation of the US vs Iran (and other Gulf 'navies'), the US lost badly. Their were some red faces afterwards I imagine, here you have millions or even billions in tech, and you get cleaned up by what is essentially Russian surplus and an alarmingly basic strategy.

Any Zerg Player could have told them that

ganbaru · 2012-02-28, 11:49

2nd victim dead after Ohio school shooting
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...hool-shooting/

bladeofdarkness · 2012-02-28, 12:35

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Originally Posted by ganbaru

The question is would the US shoot down a Israelian attack against Iran ?
Probably not but should they ?

Israeli

Vexx · 2012-02-28, 14:40

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

Israeli

Its okay... I've heard "Texasian" before

Zakoo · 2012-02-28, 15:02

A good cowboy from texas would kill you for such heresy.

Vexx · 2012-02-28, 15:04

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Originally Posted by Zakoo

A good cowboy from texas would kill you for such heresy.

Yeah, I was born in Texas - the body took some ingenuity to dispose of

.

Zakoo · 2012-02-28, 15:09

What I wanted to imply, without no animosity towards bladeofdarkness, is that people who are a bit nationalist, tend to be more picky about how you call them.
Thus the "good" cowboy, as we say here, Texas is a state amongst United state, you could literally give them the nationality "Texian" seeing how they are ... unique? ahahahaha

Personally, french, franch, fronch or cheese-eater never bothered me.

Anh_Minh · 2012-02-28, 15:15

Just call us Francians... who cares?

Zakoo · 2012-02-28, 15:16

I can sense sarcasm.

ganbaru · 2012-02-28, 15:26

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

Israeli

Sorry, one of thoses time when my english get mixed with my french and the result is quite bad.

bladeofdarkness · 2012-02-28, 15:40

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Originally Posted by Zakoo

What I wanted to imply, without no animosity towards bladeofdarkness, is that people who are a bit nationalist, tend to be more picky about how you call them.

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Originally Posted by ganbaru

Sorry, one of thoses time when my english get mixed with my french and the result is quite bad.

no animosity taken, but it just bugs me.
its like calling people from America - "Americenese".
its just a pet peeve of mine.

Xellos-_^ · 2012-02-28, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Just call us Francians... who cares?

i thought frenchies were either Gaelic or Franks?

SaintessHeart · 2012-02-28, 15:50

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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

no animosity taken, but it just bugs me.
its like calling people from America - "Americenese".
its just a pet peeve of mine.

Well we could follow the rest of the Mideast and call you Zionists or Jews.

bladeofdarkness · 2012-02-28, 15:54

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Well we could follow the rest of the Mideast and call you Zionists or Jews.

both of which would at least be accurate and grammaticality correct descriptions

2012-02-28, 04:37	Link #19842
ganbaru books-eater youkai Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity	The question is would the US shoot down a Israelian attack against Iran ? Probably not but should they ? __________________

2012-02-28, 08:24	Link #19846
Mr Hat and Clogs Did someone call a doctor Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 40	I saw a report once. A navy admiral was tasked with destroying/inflicting mass damage to a carrier group in a simulation. I think he nigh on wiped one out in a few hours using small high speed boats essentially armed with rocket launchers and basic hit and run tactics. It seems carrier groups are (were?) woefully inadequate in dealing with small boats wielding rockets and so on. Basically it was a simulation of the US vs Iran (and other Gulf 'navies'), the US lost badly. Their were some red faces afterwards I imagine, here you have millions or even billions in tech, and you get cleaned up by what is essentially Russian surplus and an alarmingly basic strategy. __________________

2012-02-28, 11:49	Link #19848
ganbaru books-eater youkai Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity	2nd victim dead after Ohio school shooting http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...hool-shooting/ __________________

2012-02-28, 15:02	Link #19851
Zakoo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Gensokyo	A good cowboy from texas would kill you for such heresy.

2012-02-28, 15:09	Link #19853
Zakoo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Gensokyo	What I wanted to imply, without no animosity towards bladeofdarkness, is that people who are a bit nationalist, tend to be more picky about how you call them. Thus the "good" cowboy, as we say here, Texas is a state amongst United state, you could literally give them the nationality "Texian" seeing how they are ... unique? ahahahaha Personally, french, franch, fronch or cheese-eater never bothered me.

2012-02-28, 15:15	Link #19854
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Just call us Francians... who cares?

2012-02-28, 15:16	Link #19855
Zakoo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Gensokyo	I can sense sarcasm.