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Old 2018-03-17, 23:05   Link #6101
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Frieza and 17 After-Party yaaaaaaaaallll!! lol

Man, where to begin...Son kicking Jiren's ever-loving a$$ was pretty cool...I think Son looks better when its all white...The white-grey look appeared a little less dynamic, but whatver...

Preview looks like someone is going on a trip...Goku perhaps? Or will they leave him so that he can train Uub? lol...One things for sure the red and pink-belted SSJ4 took a hit today...Aint none of the $hit in GT ever made Goku look this sick...

Also a little tidbit I enjoyed (besides the beefed-up fighting). That in-fight rapid-back-flip (or maybe its a kick-spin) Son does is always so dope...ThaTS ALL i GOT..
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Old 2018-03-17, 23:44   Link #6102
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17 lives after all. Not really a shocker at this point.

And Freeza is back to getting more ass-whipping. This I like. Need more Freeza getting brutalized.
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Old 2018-03-18, 00:01   Link #6103
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Universe 7 did most of the fight with other Universe warriors and Universe 11 kind of did not, is this right?
And Universe 7 still has more people left even though they are more tired and Jiren is the only one left even though he saved his power through half of this tournament.

Jiren has every right to be come insane and shouts like a madman through out this whole episode.
I don't buy this Jiren at near end where he respects Goku as a warrior saying he will still live on in Jiren's memory, it is a farce to me.

Jiren kind of reminds me of Future Gohan though.
I don't know which is worse.
Jiren who has been scarred for life losing everything that makes him having this sort of a inferiority complex that doesn't want to lose anymore.
Future Gohan who's peaceful life that has been also scarred for life while fighting the Androids in horror mostly alone for most of his life.
Maybe because Gohan still has Bulma and Future Trunks to keep on fighting, wait why Future Chi Chi at the time still irrelevant then? This one goes for an another topic.
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Old 2018-03-18, 00:23   Link #6104
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So MUI is still stronger than Jiren's full power afterall. It makes sense since UI is supposed to make the user stronger and faster with every blow.

After all of the beatdowns Goku has had, it is no surprise that he would take a toll on his body.

And this makes the 2nd time Frieza saved Goku in this tournament. Frieza best support ever.
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Old 2018-03-18, 01:25   Link #6105
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Frieza finally does something again.... and wtf 17, lol. He stole all the plot armor./
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Old 2018-03-18, 07:39   Link #6106
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The friendship speech was quite groan-worthy. As if all those warriors who fell and were erased didn't fight to protect their loved ones as well, and look where that got them.
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Old 2018-03-18, 08:54   Link #6107
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Damn, this explains a lot



Also, how come U7 had two fighters selfdestructing and none of the die? Even Zennohsamas didn't list that.

Also, I think that nakama speech was recycled from Vegeta during the Buu arc during the final fight.
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Old 2018-03-18, 09:01   Link #6108
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well that was quite the chapter, pretty good fight and thank god MUI is stronger than jiren for a margin.

the best was the end with freezer and 17.
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Old 2018-03-18, 09:42   Link #6109
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The friendship speech was quite groan-worthy. As if all those warriors who fell and were erased didn't fight to protect their loved ones as well, and look where that got them.
Yeah. Power of Friendship is in my opinion a great trope when done correctly, and frankly more real than some believe, but this was a seriously poor execution. It's great in a battle between two groups when you can see a big difference in cohesion or the trust people give the hero, but when you have one person after another who has earned the trust of entire universes and repays that with love and dedication, an entire tournament full of people who are fighting for those they hold dear, it really does fall flat. Now, it could've done well if they'd done it differently. Maybe do a montage of all the fighters who were beaten down and never gave in, kept getting up over and over no matter how badly they were hurt, until finally they were outsmarted or overpowered, thus demonstrating not that Friendship gives him a power-up, but rather that his love and concern for his friends pushes him so that he won't stop, will never lie down beaten and immobile waiting to be pushed off the stage. Friendship as a power-boost stinks here. Friendship as a hold that won't let you stop until you've been blasted away could.
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Old 2018-03-18, 10:30   Link #6110
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Sigh, why can't the animator just let Goku wins? Why must they keep shafting on Goku?

Mastered UI is just another "Vegito". Powerful to win but never win a fight.
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Old 2018-03-18, 10:44   Link #6111
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Also, how come U7 had two fighters selfdestructing and none of the die? Even Zennohsamas didn't list that.
They get their self-destruction mechanism/ability from Gundam Wing.
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Old 2018-03-18, 13:13   Link #6112
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Although Jiren isn't down, Goku demonstrated his superiority and won their fight, so I'm happy about that. Jiren was lucky UI ran out right as Goku was about to finish him off. Although rather than luck, he should thank Goku himself. With only like a minute remaining, you'd think Goku would try to be quick about eliminating Jiren, but nope. He stood still for a few seconds looking all badass and Jiren pretty much had to beg him to eliminate him.

Surprised 17 turned out to be alive. This and the fact Jiren still has plenty of power left means Frieza has pretty much no chance of winning the Super Dragon Balls. All this scheming for nothing.

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The friendship speech was quite groan-worthy. As if all those warriors who fell and were erased didn't fight to protect their loved ones as well, and look where that got them.
That's true, but they were just comparing Jiren's philosophy to Goku's. And it's not like they knew much about the previous warriors, so they couldn't speak on their behalf.

And I don't see any friendship power-up here. Goku obtained UI by never giving up and breaking his own limits, and the boost he got after Jiren tried to kill his friends was the typical rage boost. Otherwise, you might as well consider Super Saiyan a friendship power-up as well. After all, Goku unlocked it as a result of his best friend getting killed.

That said, I did think this speech didn't really fit Dragon Ball, and reeks of a Toei addition.
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Old 2018-03-18, 13:27   Link #6113
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And I don't see any friendship power-up here. Goku obtained UI by never giving up and breaking his own limits, and the boost he got after Jiren tried to kill his friends was the typical rage boost. Otherwise, you might as well consider Super Saiyan a friendship power-up as well. After all, Goku unlocked it as a result of his best friend getting killed.

That said, I did think this speech didn't really fit Dragon Ball, and reeks of a Toei addition.
super sayan was "nakama power" because aways the "rage booster" come from the "feelings" of see someone you care in danger, that is how nakama power work in shounen, whem you saw someone you care in danger you get a huge power booster to save them, the same goes for the super sayan god first form, it come from the "nakama power' which was al the 5 sayans sharing they powers to goku, making him get the sayan god power booster leve.

I never really had problem with that, in any serie and i really don't know why peoples whining and complain over it as if it not happen in real life or which shounens are "gore, dark and realist(and forgeting which nakama power dos happen in real life), i know which the problem is the "overuse of it" but this is how standarts shounens aways work and worked and expectating something different just because you don't like is pretty bad.

Another thing which peoples are forgeting which goku also almost lost, if not was for jiren did the same as goku and waited for him to get up with the namaka power booster from his friends, if jiren had throwed goku after he get knocked off instead of waiting, jiron could had won, the problem is when goku wake up he "get more strong' again and overcome jiren power up.
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Old 2018-03-18, 16:52   Link #6114
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Now that fight lived up to my expectations!

Goku obviously won in the end but yeah, the power up took a toll on him. I'm impressed by the chereography of the music as it made the fighting feel more impactful. I'm also surprised 17 is still alive. Wonder if he will make it as a survivor for the finale.

Next week should be one hell of an episode.
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Old 2018-03-19, 07:25   Link #6115
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I've noticed this new version's always stressing the toll power-ups take on you. I know one or two power-ups had lasting side effects in Z, but here it's almost constant. Frieza's new transformation is difficult to maintain and leaves him exhausted first time around. Blue+Kaioken strains Goku hard and leaves him disoriented for something like a month. Partial UI exhausts him to no end. And full UI nearly annihilates him. Only power-up that went really smooth was Blue. Maybe it's a message about training? They told Frieza that with a month more training he might've had the control necessary to use his new form well, BK worked fine after getting accustomed to it, and Blue was developed not through the heat of battle or a desperate ploy but rather months of nonstop training. Guess the message is that power-ups and transformations are only reliable if you've really honed them well.
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Old 2018-03-19, 07:34   Link #6116
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Did Toei just trick us into watching a Lucha Libre tournament?

Also how does ui make Goku punch harder and throw stronger blasts since it's not supposed to be a literal "power up"?
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Old 2018-03-19, 07:51   Link #6117
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^Did you forget that even incomplete UI made Goku stronger and sharper with every blow ?? Still, I'd like them to go into more details about attacking without thoughts, like what Whis said.
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Old 2018-03-19, 09:56   Link #6118
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another think which i noticed, jiren almost disclassifed himself, if his attack to goku friends had landed the hit and killed someone, jiren could had be erased on the spot and universe 11 lost, remember the "non kill rules" they can't kill peoples in the tournament them that pretty much can count on the peoples watching.
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Old 2018-03-19, 10:45   Link #6119
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It was a fan fight, but Jiren's character devolved a lot. He starts as a silent man who wanted to protect others like Toppo. Now he is having temper tanctrums, angered at how much he can't accomplish his dream. This might be one of the greatest fights of the franchise, but the villain didn't feel that memorable. Guess he could redeem himself in the finale.
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Old 2018-03-19, 11:29   Link #6120
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I hope, Toei will not introduce an Ultra Instinct Broly ! In fact I hate this character and I don't get Toei's obsession with him. Is it because Broly was introduced by Toei and wasn't originate from Akira Toriyama's work?
After all, they personally asked Toriyama to include Kale as the new version of Broly. Then they made the infamous episode where SSB Goku get his ass kicked by Kale. It was such a stupid move that it almost took away my desire to watch the rest of DBS.
Every movie where Broly appear were so boring! It was just 20 minute of Broly one-sidedly trashing everybody until he is taken down by one combined move at the end. That's the plot of every freaking movie where Broly appeared in. Its much better to skip the whole movie and just watch the climax.
Not to mention, Broly has no personality or character! Seriously, holding a grudge over Goku and trying to get revenge over him for just crying louder than him as baby. That is definitely silliest characterization in Dragonball.
Can Toei just let go off their obsession over keeping Broly as the strongest Saiyan ? Its like Broly is one rival that Toei absolutely doesn't want Goku to suppress.
Honestly, I think many people would love an equal fight between Goku and Broly. I would love to see Goku beating Broly fair & squire.

Anyway since UI is a different transformation from Super Saiyan, I hope this is the one Goku that Broly will never beat.
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