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Kairin · 2016-01-29, 22:56

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Haigi · 2016-01-30, 11:31

Oh wow I did not expect this.

Guess there are other researches going on besides the Ice Man project. If there's a second, why not a third or fourth? Is the research product used on himself why he didn't get turned?

I really like that they dedicated a whole episode for this. Not cut up into different episodes as flashbacks.

That red light in the sky...is that what I think it is?

Spoiler:

Finally we get to see the old gang. Wonder how they knew about Hakuoro. Or was the Mikado closely monitoring the Iceman situation from afar. (Hope the outdoor cameras and underground computer for gathering data still work.)

Stark700 · 2016-01-30, 12:59

Wow. That was fairly interesting about the Iceman Project and theme of family. Seems like these research projects had significant influence. This episode definitely had a different feel than some of the previous episodes of this season.

watisit · 2016-01-30, 13:05

Oh god. In Japanese the saying is literally "An untouched god doesn't curse" which essentially means "Let sleeping dogs lie" and now they are going to go poke it. Does the emperor know that it was the iceman that was sleeping in Tsukuru?

foxbox360 · 2016-01-30, 13:41

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Originally Posted by watisit

Oh god. In Japanese the saying is literally "An untouched god doesn't curse" which essentially means "Let sleeping dogs lie" and now they are going to go poke it. Does the emperor know that it was the iceman that was sleeping in Tsukuru?

Maybe since the inn keeper and the justicar at Yamato spying on him.

AC-Phoenix · 2016-01-30, 14:18

You know Uta does a good job at making you wonder what happened to humanity as a whole.
We know what happened in Japan and how Amaterasu hit a major metropolis, but not whether the same thing with the curse happened all around the world or was just limited to Japan and its surroundings.
Moreover whether there are more people in cryostasis like Haku used to be.

Another thing that I started wondering about is how the world even became uninhabitable in the first place.

yulinard · 2016-01-30, 14:41

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Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

You know Uta does a good job at making you wonder what happened to humanity as a whole.
We know what happened in Japan and how Amaterasu hit a major metropolis, but not whether the same thing with the curse happened all around the world or was just limited to Japan and its surroundings.
Moreover whether there are more people in cryostasis like Haku used to be.

Another thing that I started wondering about is how the world even became uninhabitable in the first place.

Some post apocalypse BS. It can be solar radiation, global warming, nuclear war or garbage guy went on strike. I think global warming since they managed to build underground city, which indicate the change happens gradually. Also reduced population will fix global warming since there will be less fart generated and that laser thing will ignite methane buildup.

And they keep eating Russian food.

Wandering_Youth · 2016-01-30, 16:14

Well back when the first Utawarerumono finished airing a the popular theory was just that humans have just screwed themselves by polluting the Earth. The other popular theory was that humans accidentally discovered and awoke ancient beings from slumber which lead to a war that basically left the world uninhabitable.

Nvis · 2016-01-30, 18:02

Humans beings are evil.

So much plot this time!

Haku took all that in without flinching.

Kuon is also being secretive about how she found Haku. He saw her looking at him from outside the capsule. And then suddenly he wounds up outside in the snow.....hmm...something's amiss...

AkitoW013 · 2016-01-30, 19:33

I little bit disappointed that they haven't made the part in the lab in Uzurusshia and expended the backstory of the Emperor a little bit more, like when he used the Satellite cannon to punish the decoys.

Tchadnis · 2016-01-30, 21:57

After this ending i do hope the emperor does not plan to go to war against the real Haku cause it going to be a wrap

Windsgrace · 2016-01-30, 23:27

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Originally Posted by Tchadnis

After this ending i do hope the emperor does not plan to go to war against the real Haku cause it going to be a wrap

Hakuoro/iceman I believe is still sealed. The two countries may go to war though. :P Besides Oboro is King at the moment no?

Welp the emperor may of helped flourish this new civilization but his mind is kind of twisted at this point in time...I imagine living 200+ year's didn't help. Regardless it seems he is going to fight Tuskuru now...time for Haku to shine? I mean the trusted adverser I forgot his name seemed keen on it(war). Also Oboro has aged well. I wonder what happened to his retainers Dorī & Gurā

El Rue · 2016-01-30, 23:38

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Originally Posted by Windsgrace

I wonder what happened to his retainers Dorī & Gurā

They were there at the last scene on the right.

Spectacular_Insanity · 2016-01-31, 00:18

Finally, a serious episode. I really enjoyed this one, especially in light of most of the series treading water in bad yaoi jokes.

But now I get it, and I understand how Tusukuru and Yamato will come into conflict. But I still don't get how the Emperor has lived so long. Did the futuristic humans have a greatly exaggerated lifespan compared to the engineered hybrid humans, or was he maintaining his health through other means? I really want to know now.

Geburah · 2016-01-31, 00:25

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Originally Posted by Spectacular_Insanity

Finally, a serious episode. I really enjoyed this one, especially in light of most of the series treading water in bad yaoi jokes.

But now I get it, and I understand how Tusukuru and Yamato will come into conflict. But I still don't get how the Emperor has lived so long. Did the futuristic humans have a greatly exaggerated lifespan compared to the engineered hybrid humans, or was he maintaining his health through other means? I really want to know now.

In this same episode is explained that the emperor new human project could not only increase inmunitary system and enhance physiology, but also increase lifespan

Jaden · 2016-01-31, 00:33

And suddenly, everything makes sense...

Aniki wants the body of Iceman, since the god dwelling in there is what caused the curse and could maybe undo it. He's patient but ultimately will start the big war to get it.

I wonder how he's going to do it, though. Yamato generals are loyal but would they launch a massive invasion for what is to them, a rather frivolous reason? There's gonna have to be some big deception, and when the lid is blown off...he will be finished.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2016-01-31, 00:46

Now this episode I like it very much because it’s full of reveals at a good pace that will move the plot forward. Goddammit, how I wish this event happened two or three episodes ago by removing all the bad BL jokes and other antics. Seriously, what’ wrong with the director(s) of this anime? If they want to make a series focusing on female characters enjoying BL and fool around, just go make an original series dammit. Still, I’m glad we finally get this kind of episode after so many dull episodes.

AkitoW013 · 2016-01-31, 00:48

No, he just want to go in the lab and get their research data, I think he couldn't cares about Iceman, even if he does, he's already at the end of his life, dying now is not a big deal anymore for him since he has found his brother and entrusting his will to him.

Godslayer · 2016-01-31, 02:33

They really could have toned down the bath and BL jokes in the first cour for making rooms for all these plots. Especially the lab since it's pretty important that the other members in Haku's party to see the jellifying process of the old human.

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Originally Posted by Haigi

Guess there are other researches going on besides the Ice Man project. If there's a second, why not a third or fourth? Is the research product used on himself why he didn't get turned?

Yeah, Emperor literally used the serum to alter his and Haku's DNA so that they become something different than human to repel the curse, also they have a longer lifespan.

Quote:

That red light in the sky...is that what I think it is?

Spoiler:

Amaterasu the Death Satellite was fired twice against Iceman. The first was by the other labs, who had decided to cut their losses and destroy the Japanese lab along with Iceman; either Iceman or Mutsumi blocked it, and Iceman retaliated by blowing the massive hole in China you see on the map. The second time was Mutsumi.

ReddyRedWolf · 2016-01-31, 03:34

Well the emperor doesn't know the whole story why humanity turned to jelly. The bastards they were spying on did something unforgivable thus Hakuoro lashed out giving them what they wanted... Eternity.

Tusukuru's position is to follow their emperor's last wish of being sealed lest he will destroy the Earth again and its inhabitants.

Yamato's emperor doesn't understand that.

But here is the thing... He doesn't know Hakuoro before going to slumber had a daughter.

Does Kuon have the power to restore humanity? Maybe we don't know.

If they go to war it would be MAD as while Yamato has Kaiju Tusukuru has powerful defenders and access to the orbital laser.

Also is it in the interest of the Children of Humanity to restore their precursors? As Humans has the power to influence them.

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2016-01-30, 11:31	Link #2
Haigi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: S.E.A	Oh wow I did not expect this. Guess there are other researches going on besides the Ice Man project. If there's a second, why not a third or fourth? Is the research product used on himself why he didn't get turned? I really like that they dedicated a whole episode for this. Not cut up into different episodes as flashbacks. That red light in the sky...is that what I think it is? Spoiler: Satellite laser Finally we get to see the old gang. Wonder how they knew about Hakuoro. Or was the Mikado closely monitoring the Iceman situation from afar. (Hope the outdoor cameras and underground computer for gathering data still work.)

2016-01-30, 12:59	Link #3
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Wow. That was fairly interesting about the Iceman Project and theme of family. Seems like these research projects had significant influence. This episode definitely had a different feel than some of the previous episodes of this season. __________________

2016-01-30, 14:18	Link #6
AC-Phoenix Detective Join Date: Aug 2010 Age: 36	You know Uta does a good job at making you wonder what happened to humanity as a whole. We know what happened in Japan and how Amaterasu hit a major metropolis, but not whether the same thing with the curse happened all around the world or was just limited to Japan and its surroundings. Moreover whether there are more people in cryostasis like Haku used to be. Another thing that I started wondering about is how the world even became uninhabitable in the first place. __________________ Those who forget about the past are condemned to repeat it - Santayana Sidenote: I'm seemingly too dumb for my current keyboard, so if you see the same character twice in a row, when it doesn't belong there just ignore it.

2016-01-30, 16:14	Link #8
Wandering_Youth lost in wonder forever... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: edge of my dream in the land of twilight...ZzzZzZ	Well back when the first Utawarerumono finished airing a the popular theory was just that humans have just screwed themselves by polluting the Earth. The other popular theory was that humans accidentally discovered and awoke ancient beings from slumber which lead to a war that basically left the world uninhabitable. __________________

2016-01-30, 13:05	Link #4
watisit Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013	Oh god. In Japanese the saying is literally "An untouched god doesn't curse" which essentially means "Let sleeping dogs lie" and now they are going to go poke it. Does the emperor know that it was the iceman that was sleeping in Tsukuru?

2016-01-30, 18:02	Link #9
Nvis Where are the good animes Join Date: Dec 2003	Humans beings are evil. So much plot this time! Haku took all that in without flinching. Kuon is also being secretive about how she found Haku. He saw her looking at him from outside the capsule. And then suddenly he wounds up outside in the snow.....hmm...something's amiss...

2016-01-30, 19:33	Link #10
AkitoW013 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	I little bit disappointed that they haven't made the part in the lab in Uzurusshia and expended the backstory of the Emperor a little bit more, like when he used the Satellite cannon to punish the decoys.

2016-01-30, 21:57	Link #11
Tchadnis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013	After this ending i do hope the emperor does not plan to go to war against the real Haku cause it going to be a wrap __________________

2016-01-31, 00:18	Link #14
Spectacular_Insanity Ha ha ha ha ha... Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Right behind you. Age: 35	Finally, a serious episode. I really enjoyed this one, especially in light of most of the series treading water in bad yaoi jokes. But now I get it, and I understand how Tusukuru and Yamato will come into conflict. But I still don't get how the Emperor has lived so long. Did the futuristic humans have a greatly exaggerated lifespan compared to the engineered hybrid humans, or was he maintaining his health through other means? I really want to know now. __________________

2016-01-31, 00:33	Link #16
Jaden Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	And suddenly, everything makes sense... Aniki wants the body of Iceman, since the god dwelling in there is what caused the curse and could maybe undo it. He's patient but ultimately will start the big war to get it. I wonder how he's going to do it, though. Yamato generals are loyal but would they launch a massive invasion for what is to them, a rather frivolous reason? There's gonna have to be some big deception, and when the lid is blown off...he will be finished. __________________

2016-01-31, 00:46	Link #17
Obelisk ze Tormentor Black Steel Knight Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Indonesia	Now this episode I like it very much because it’s full of reveals at a good pace that will move the plot forward. Goddammit, how I wish this event happened two or three episodes ago by removing all the bad BL jokes and other antics. Seriously, what’ wrong with the director(s) of this anime? If they want to make a series focusing on female characters enjoying BL and fool around, just go make an original series dammit. Still, I’m glad we finally get this kind of episode after so many dull episodes. __________________

2016-01-31, 00:48	Link #18
AkitoW013 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	No, he just want to go in the lab and get their research data, I think he couldn't cares about Iceman, even if he does, he's already at the end of his life, dying now is not a big deal anymore for him since he has found his brother and entrusting his will to him.

2016-01-31, 03:34	Link #20
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Well the emperor doesn't know the whole story why humanity turned to jelly. The bastards they were spying on did something unforgivable thus Hakuoro lashed out giving them what they wanted... Eternity. Tusukuru's position is to follow their emperor's last wish of being sealed lest he will destroy the Earth again and its inhabitants. Yamato's emperor doesn't understand that. But here is the thing... He doesn't know Hakuoro before going to slumber had a daughter. Does Kuon have the power to restore humanity? Maybe we don't know. If they go to war it would be MAD as while Yamato has Kaiju Tusukuru has powerful defenders and access to the orbital laser. Also is it in the interest of the Children of Humanity to restore their precursors? As Humans has the power to influence them.