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Ore no Imouto - Character Discussion - Ayase
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2010-11-01, 09:18 | Link #2 |
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To kick off the discussion: I'm a closet Ayase shipper, so take my words with a grain of salt. To kick off the discussion, I'd like to list what in my opinion she is NOT (from the other thread): 1) Ayase is not a Yandere! This is popular and AFAIK even on a wiki, but IMHO fairly off the mark. Being a Yandere requires two things: A fanatical devotion to someone who you're convinced you're destined to be with (that's already questionable - fanatical devotion yes, but destined to be with? not sure), and a violent-dangerous reaction towards the object of desire when it becomes evident that this devotion isn't going to be reciprocated. Which is a flat-out no. All that Ayase did was severing her ties and walking away in pain. No violence, no threats. In the end, she was threatening Kyousuke with death, should he make moves on Kirino. That, however, was not directed against the object of devotion, but against people who might threaten it. Call her obsessed and overprotective, fine. But I don't think Yandere fits. 2) Ayase is not batshit crazy! No sir, she is not. Everything she did is perfectly reasonable and making sense, as long as you keep in mind that a) she's infatuated with her idolized view of Kirino and b) conditioned to reject otakudom. If you start from there, she is quite reasonable. Heck, she's even talking to the pervert oniichan, and she's accepting evidence as genuine which is contradicting her beliefs. That's more rational than 90% of all people I have political discussions with 3) Ayase is no controlling stalker! Nope. Neither did she stalk, nor is she controlling. If she were the latter, she'd try hard to influence Kirino to drop her hobby. To monitor when Kirino was doing what, trying to "forbid" her from doing unacceptable stuff. Instead, she cut ties and walked away. In the end, I consider it sad and bitter irony that the only girl who immediately treated Kyousuke kindly and with respect, without suspicion but rather convinced about the general goodness of man, is now turned into a bitter enemy over Kyousuke's protective lie. This is the macabre part: By repeatedly shielding Kirino against the injustice of society, he turns into the sandbag target even for those people who are most compatible with him by disposition (like Ayase). I'm looking forward to how the novel plans to gradually remedy this and resolve this tragedy. Kyousuke deserves much better than he gets. |
2010-11-01, 09:48 | Link #3 |
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I'm weak against character with "unrequited love", so somehow Ayase climbed to 2nd place in my favourite character ranking for Oreimo, behind Kuroneko....
Partly also because Kirino and Kyousuke were quite a let down in ep 5
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2010-11-01, 13:59 | Link #5 |
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I have to admit, at first my impression of her is not very favorable at all, but after further scrutiny I have to agree with Mentar that Ayase is neither of those things. It's just the exaggerated reactions, especially the part in the rain that gives that impression, I think. Still, I think she is obsessive and overprotective of Kirino, which may suggest an underlying reason. I already gave this in the episode thread, but I see no harm in posting it here again:
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To be honest, what irks me more about her isn't her reaction towards Kirino's hobbies or her obsessiveness over the perfect image of Kirino she had in her head as her best friends. It's the bit of selfishness when, even after hearing Kyousuke's and Kirino's defense, she still can't bring herself to tolerate the behavior. This is understandable; after all she's raised all her life with such values and it'll take more than two rousing speeches to change her mindset, but I can't help but think it's rather unfair for her to expect Kirino to sacrifice her hobby and become the perfect image of her best friend yet when the tables are turned, she can't bring herself to make the same sacrifice. Although, now that I think about it further, I think what irks me most isn't just that but instead Kirino's stares for Kyousuke (and not her or Ayase, the people actually involved in the friendship) to somehow come up with a solution for this. Oh, and another thing: when Ayase text Kyousuke and call him a lying brother, does that mean she knows for sure that Kyousuke is obviously making all of that up? Spoiler for Lying:
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2010-11-01, 14:16 | Link #6 |
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At least, she has the best outlooking in this show.
In ep4, I doubt Kirino is main heroine... I feel Ayase is so sweet. But watching ep5, I dont like the character of Ayase... Did she think many things simply & carelessly? OK guys, she is juniorhigh student!!! The last her mail to Kyousuke was very matured, enough for her age!! But I want her to be nice girl....(I am selfish, I cannot blame Kirino & Ayase...)
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2010-11-01, 21:45 | Link #8 |
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I'm especially interested that Ayase said, "You know I can't stand liars!" to Kirino. There's some backstory there that has yet to be revealed. Probably typical junior high past of "former friend(s) lied to me, now I have problems trusting other people!", but they may surprise us.
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2010-11-02, 12:48 | Link #10 | |
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4) Ayase belongs to Saintessheart. *dodges bricks* Anyway, sooner or later, my bets will be that she will fall for her best friend's brother and seek to create a "threesome love relationship" with Kirino and Kyousuke. *dodges more bricks*
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2010-11-03, 08:36 | Link #12 |
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you know when in that txt she titled "lying onii-san", which part is she referring to?
the gentle friendly older brother? or the perverted sis-con? which one is she referring to as a lie? the general consensus seem to be the later and that she's really mature, but I can't help but think that there's still possibility for the first option. It could change the outlook of the situation and relationship so much.
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2010-11-03, 12:52 | Link #13 |
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I actually hadn't thought that she could have caught that he was lying about being a sis-con. She seems too easily obsessed with face-value to actually have caught on. I could be wrong, though, because ep. 5 didn't show her best side, I think.
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2010-11-03, 16:40 | Link #14 |
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If she was able to understand the incident between Kirino and Kyousuke in episode 4... Wouldnt she be able to understand the little lie Kyousuke was going around with Kirino in episode 5? Well, if the images of episode 4 flashed back into memories, then it would be hard to not believe it.
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2010-11-04, 02:23 | Link #15 |
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While I love the anime adaption, Ayase's character does get destroyed a bit in this episode due to removed information on her background.
She's precisely the product of parents. My issue with this event lies in in the original novel material. While the novel did a good job on explaining why she would view ACG that way. As I mentioned in the Ep 5 thread, I can't shake the feeling that Ayase and Kirino are not "real" friend. I thought the novel went a bit too far on having Kyosuke takes the fall and telling her that he is in love with Kirino. Sure the scene is hilarious, but once the fun pasts it just make the whole thing felt a bit disconnected and discredits Ayase and Kirino's friendship. I mean, like Kyosuke mentioned a bit early in their conversation, if they are real friend, why can she attempt to understand Kirino's hobby. Especially when all her reason for rejecting ACG was countered by Kyosuke and Kirino made it clear that she wanted to make up with Ayase. It really seem a bit inconsistent to the personality that she show earlier where she is portrayed an understanding, well-mannered, nice girl even if she is a bit stubborn.
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2010-11-08, 16:00 | Link #17 |
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Oh I don't know about "Ayase isn't yandere" part...
In the upcoming PSP game, some people from 2ch tweeted that there might be a route leading to Kyou's death because he "betrayed" Ayase. I don't know if this screenshot is photoshopped or real, but she's definitely twisted in her own way. I don't consider this a spoiler, 'cause it's not even confirmed yet. But just in case. Spoiler:
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2010-11-10, 01:11 | Link #20 |
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You have to realise though despite her extremely.. incompetent methods she was doing it all with Kirino's best interests at heart (what she thought were her best interests anyway). She did end up taking Kirino back, and while granted what she saw as the alternative was pretty damn perfect want unacceptable to her, it nevertheless shows that Ayase still cares for her.
In fact in this regard her character is rather similar to Kirino- don't forget that at the start Kirino as well was very awkward around her fellow otaku and wasn't sure how to be accepted. This is pretty much the same thing, just the other way round. Finally her status as bait and potential for hawt yandere yuri action I believe that everyone should let her develop more before judging her.
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