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The Cato group advocating taking a page from Lenin to dismantle (er, I mean privatize) Social Security is even more eyebrow raising. What is especially fascinating about it is the era (early 80's) and how it proposes accomplishing it: employing the FIRE economy giants to form a coalition that would "educate" people about the "evils" of the program so that they can collect a buck for themselves. I noted one part where it suggests not angering the elderly, due to their voting power, by letting them stay on the program if they're on it. I can see a lot of the Ryan plan in the paper....which just goes to show how long some of these plans are worked on. Definitely long term thinking. Quote:
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This year will be interesting though, since no politicians are allowed to speak during the ceremonies.
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2012-09-10, 21:59 | Link #324 |
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What really bothers me about the 9/11 attacks is that they should have never happened. I remember watching a program and some guy was talking about how he and others that help with national security by monitoring threats had known about an Al Qaeda plot lead by Osama Bin Laden, and they specifically knew that they wanted to hijack planes and fly them into the World Trade Center buildings, as well as hijack other planes and fly them into other targets. This man knew about these attacks almost exactly 2 months before the 9/11 attacks happened and he notified top authorities in the government, Bush administration officials, and he tried to come into contact with president Bush, and government officials were blowing him off and telling him to, essentially, 'shut up and stop causing a ruckus', and never let him contact the president. He was telling these things on camera and you could tell he was frustrated as he told these things. And some people on the right have the nerve to blame president Clinton for 9/11 for never hunting down Osama Bin Laden...
Edit: Ah, decided to leave out a part of my post. Just might not be a good idea to bring it up in this thread. Some might wonder what it was about...oh good, I just found some 'loose change' under my keyboard!
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2012-09-11, 18:26 | Link #326 |
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You are right, best not to get into any of that in this thread. And if someone made a thread for those things, it'd probably only get locked anyway. Which is too bad, as there are things to discuss about with them.
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2012-09-12, 12:35 | Link #328 |
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The really noteworthy thing however is that Romney's attacks are demonstrably factually untrue. He went on air criticizing Obama before he actually SAID ANYTHING AT ALL. Romney based the attacks on a twitter message (!) sent out by someone at the Cairo embassy.
The Romney campaign is now so desperate in their efforts that they're now not only fabricating and spreading lies (remember the famous "we won't have fact-checkers dictate how to run our campaign" statement?), they started bashing Obama based on something which they invented themselves. Let me speak frankly: Dear Americans. If you elect these rotten pieces of human garbage regardless of all this, you deserve whatever catastrophe will unquestionably follow. Please spare the world this ordeal. Thank you. |
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Actualy, some think than Romney's reaction might get him even more backlash.
Foreign Policy Hands Voice Disbelief At Romney Cairo Statement http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/for...-at-romney-cai Romney and Foreign Policy http://thepage.time.com/2012/09/12/r...oreign-policy/ Quote:
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2012-09-12, 14:18 | Link #331 | |
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Right now the story is that an Arabic-dub made few days ago found it's way to some Egyptian Hosts who aired on their network to fan the flame for this incident. The idiots behind the movie went on overdrive to promote this crap at around this time as US nears its election. Apparently one of the biggest promoter of the movie is Terry Jones. The guy who made it supposed to be an Israeli-American who goes by the name of Sam Bacile. Israel says they can't ID the man from their citizen database, so they think he is using an alias or just another home-grown idiot like Terry Jones who incited other idiots. They were looking for a reaction. Well, they succeeded. Unfortunately, people who has nothing to do with any of this paid the ultimate price.
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Holy shit. This morning I was thinking "Why would a Jewish person in America make this anti-Islam movie and promote it heavily? Now thanks to him, some people died and some more will likely die from it". But yeah, okay, now it is definitely most likely that some white, Christian guy made the film. That he tried to make it look like a Jewish person made it and caused unrest in the middle east...just so bad. It is all very bad. I can't believe some of the people in my country. The people who made the film deserve all the suffering that'll ever come their way; for creating and promoting something they knew would lead to deaths, all the while trying to frame Jewish people. Some anti-Semitic, Islamiphobe jerkwad better pay for this! If you think about it, many people in the middle east probably think a native of Israel made the film and the facts won't get sorted out for so many of them for some time, so there is a good chance that their could be terrorist attacks in Israel as a direct result of this film and the misconception of who made it. Yeah, let the people who made that film and promoted it suffer!
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I'll wait to see who actually made the film, but knowing how some of the Christian fundamentalists in my country are (such as Terry Jones), I wouldn't be surprised if it was a Christian fundamentalist who made the film.
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2012-09-12, 15:07 | Link #335 |
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I don't care *what* anyone says about *any* religion. There is simply no justification at all for responding with violence. The only result is that I end up "respecting" that religion even less and think it more deserving of the spotlight of analysis. People who care about their religion, whatever it may be, need to step up to the plate and stop these hooligans, wingnuts, and wastes of protein.
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2012-09-12, 15:19 | Link #337 |
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The BBC suggests that this assault and murder is possibly a terrorist act by a young Libyan Islamist group, Ansar al-Sharia. ABC Today, meanwhile, quoted a Washington Institute academic who blamed Salafists (which he might have considered Ansar al-Sharia as one) and suggested that it was planned before the provocative film trailer was even released. That this incident occurred "in time" for the 9/11 date thus may be of no coincidence. The same article noted that the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood -- the ruling party of Egypt's new democracy -- belatedly condemned the violence but refused to back down on the planned protests over the films in Egypt. Egypt's Morsi had earlier called for the US to punish the filmmakers, but this was before the Benghazi incident. He has yet to release any statements regarding the incident itself. He will have to negotiate the narrow line between dangerously insulting the USA so early in his international career and alienating the extremists within his own party.
Time, however, considered the film a key catalyst of the crisis. Naturally, neither "side" have the right impression of each other; apparently quite a few of the protestors believed that the American government had something to do with the film itself. The President demanded justice. Libya's leaders were quick to apologize, condemn the attack and promised to deliver, though "we expect the rest of the world to help us face this cowardly acts." In other words, with Libya's own government divided and Benghazi formerly a center of the revolution, justice will be difficult. This will be an important test in regards to American-Middle Eastern relations in the aftermath of the Arab Spring. In truth, many feared and expected this kind of incident to flare up; some dismissed the very legitimacy of the Arab Spring during the heights of the revolutions and urged repression in favor of pro-US military dictators, and they will say we told you so. I, however, think differently. Justice must be done, Islamist extremists must be marginalized, but democracy must move forward in the Middle East and the USA must not become an enemy force, a force of repression, it must not capitulate to its own extremists such as the ones which made this film if future generations are to have hope for a new kind of relationship that is fundamentally different from today's blind hatreds. I trust the President to handle this correctly and lay the seeds of peace. I care not for the filmmakers or what they have to say, their hate has led to murder but murder they did not commit. And to pay tribute to hate with hate in turn is precisely why such an attack occurred. In any case, this is the official statement from Secretary of State Clinton: "a small and savage group, not the country and the people of Libya." ...Mr. Romney can shut the fuck up. Last edited by Irenicus; 2012-09-12 at 15:31. |
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@Irenicus: So it looks like things are jumbled up. We don't know to which degree this controversial film has affected the incident in Libya, if at all. I'm still mad at the people who made and promoted the film, though. It will probably lead to the death of innocents, nonetheless. Annnd...of course, if people are killed by angry Muslims because of the controversial film, the angry Muslims are never to be let off the hook. It always angers me when Muslims kill when their religion is insulted, Mohammed is insulted, or a Qu'ran is damaged or desecrated. They look like the biggest babies in the world when they kill over insults. You know what people usually do when their religion or the central person of their religion is disrespected? They deal with it and move on! If the Torah or Bible is burnt, Jews and Christians don't like that, but they don't gather together in angry mobs and murder people over it. And mean, my God, those people need to get a grip, put on their 'big boy pants', deal with things, and drop it and move on right away. Insulting Islam and Mohammed and damaging or desecrating Qu'rans is disrespectful, but killing people in reaction to those things is just some serious injustice.
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