The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll [2009 added ep. 9]

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Heatth

(Why this is in spoiler?)

Because it's from Vol. 4.

Originally Posted by Heatth

This was really ever said? I see this on TVtropes all time but don't remember form the novels. Of coures my reading was not that careful.

It's from either LOVER or Intrigues. I forget which. Probably LOVER.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by OkamiNoKaze

Yuki the Count, that's great, why do I see her doing the "Don Kanogi" pose while doing the laughing.

Thanks! Nice pose idea.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Spoiler for novels:

To be fair, that Koizumi had been Haruhi's dog for months, probably in an effort to get into her pants... and still hadn't gotten into her pants.

And along comes this guy whom she's all of a sudden practically drooling over.

How would you feel?

Spoiler for novels:

Drooling over? Really? Based on your suggestion, I've continued to read more of the novels - the prologue and Chapter 1 of Novel 4 so far. Of all the novel bits I've read thus far, and of the Haruhi anime I've seen - i.e. all of it - I've never gotten the sense that Haruhi drools over Kyon, or is as attracted to him to the extent that you and Roger make it out to be. I can maybe see a bit of a romantic attraction there - maybe - but you guys act like she's downright infatuated with Kyon. Wow, I really don't get that at all. Kyon may be her best friend - I'll certainly admit that - but I'm not seeing these "really hot" drooling sparks flying.

Still... you and Roger seeing it that way makes me want to continue reading the novels, so it's good motivation anyway. Basically, I want to see where you're both getting this perspective on Kyon/Haruhi.

Thanks for the spoiler info on Koizumi, by the way. It is a bit of a defense for Koizumi's straightness... although, yeah, Koizumi's laughter over the "I ruv you, Shaggy!' line in Endless Eight struck me as more playful than melancholic.

[Ice Block]

Originally Posted by mokuseimaru

This is my proof. The imagery has a pretty strong connotative message.

涼宮ハルヒの消失 -> The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi. I don't see this phrase anywhere in the picture. What's needed to refute my claim is this exact phrase, or even just 消失 in the context of "new season announcement".

Originally Posted by Jarmel

To be fair though, in most situations and most likely this, they would be stuck in the time loop. Either you would have broken out of by the 100th time(by the time that you try every single possible idea you have) or you would be stuck permanently.

Also I don't believe this would be a great example of a time loop because even before noise is introduced through Nagato there was changes via Kyon's behavior in his own house. It also seems that the wipes or resets were not absolute as he had flashes from previous loops.

The reason why people are expecting Disappearance is because of that Newtype article that showed a long haired Haruhi with that other high school's uniform and I believe(this part I'm not sure about) the original second season website mentioned something about it before it got closed down.

Disappearance (消失) was never explicitly stated on any of the promotional art. Implications mean nothing in this context. What you want is solid, irrefutable proof.

And no, time loops are not expected to behave the way you described if all particles are reset to their exact states and positions, and then left with no outside interference. They would in fact go on to move on the path they took on previous iterations, with minor deviations such as the location of an electron in the orbital cloud at one particular time. Now, add noise to these variations, and you get the E8 scenario (noise manifests itself as deja vu here, thereby leading to more variations depending on an intelligent being's response to that phenomenon).

Originally Posted by Akka

A boring, repetitive episode with maybe twenty seconds of "hey, epic music on mundane activity !" gets a 10 ? By this rate, a good half of any episode of any serie deserve a "perfect" rating. I wish I would live in a world with so many "more than exceptionnal" products.

I dunno, it wasn't boring to me. Maybe you missed everything?

I'm not saying it deserves a 10 from everyone though. Just that if you can't understand the reasoning behind voting a 10 or a 1, might as well not bitch about it as you'll never get it anyway. And on the other side, if you look around the subforums here, [almost] every episode had someone voting a 10 and a 1, so it doesn't really matter.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Because it's from Vol. 4.

Oh. I missunderstand It should be obvious what. Sorry

It's from either LOVER or Intrigues. I forget which. Probably LOVER.

Not very helpful . Well, I was wanting to read Lover again, anyway (since we are not geting this season)

[Triple_R]

Ice Block - That image on the cover is enough. At the very least, it's deliberate false marketing (unless we do get Disappearance before the end of the year) - plausibly deniable false marketing, but false marketing nonetheless. KyoAni knew exactly what impression and expectation that this picture of Haruhi would give the fans - let's not kid ourselves here.

To use an analogy, imagine if a company came out with a front page megazine advertisement, and said "We're going to do a new Batman cartoon!", and had a picture of Batman in "Batman:TAS" style there... but then when the new Batman cartoon comes out, it's Batman in "The Batman" style.

I can promise you that this would result in a lot of very irate Batman fans.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Spoiler for novels:

Drooling over? Really? Based on your suggestion, I've continued to read more of the novels - the prologue and Chapter 1 of Novel 4 so far. Of all the novel bits I've read thus far, and of the Haruhi anime I've seen - i.e. all of it - I've never gotten the sense that Haruhi drools over Kyon, or is as attracted to him to the extent that you and Roger make it out to be. I can maybe see a bit of a romantic attraction there - maybe - but you guys act like she's downright infatuated with Kyon. Wow, I really don't get that at all. Kyon may be her best friend - I'll certainly admit that - but I'm not seeing these "really hot" drooling sparks flying.

No. It's not really drooling over. It's more subtle. Though Haruhi does genuinely like Kyon. She's just not (ussually) overt about it in any way.

[Heminga13]

In regards to that July 2008 Newtype, basically what Triple_R said. That feature was related to the relaunch of the series but if Vanishment doesn't appear this year then it would have been just something to attract attention from the fans. The March 2009 Newtype also featured art that seemed to reference Vanishment, too.

In other news, I still can't figure out how to get my signature working...

[OverMaster]

Spoiler for large image:

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

No. It's not really drooling over. It's more subtle. Though Haruhi does genuinely like Kyon. She's just not (ussually) overt about it in any way.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

I'll say this... I can easily see Haruhi and Kyon ending up as life partners/marriage partners one day, largely due to lack of competition on either side; reading Vol. 4 it's...

Spoiler:

Very clear that Kyon is completely lost with out the SOS Brigade around. While Kaisos assures me that Mikuru is out of the running, and Haruhi hasn't shown interest in any guy... except some interest in Kyon.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Heminga13

In regards to that July 2008 Newtype, basically what Triple_R said. That feature was related to the relaunch of the series but if Vanishment doesn't appear this year then it would have been just something to attract attention from the fans. The March 2009 Newtype also featured art that seemed to reference Vanishment, too.

In other news, I still can't figure out how to get my signature working...

July 2008 was before or after the second season be 'canceled'? Makes difference.


And how was thes march megazine? Idon't remember.

[mokuseimaru]

Originally Posted by Ice Block

涼宮ハルヒの消失 -> The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi. I don't see this phrase anywhere in the picture. What's needed to refute my claim is this exact phrase, or even just 消失 in the context of "new season announcement".

Spoiler for spoiler:

from The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (I don't think this should count as a spoiler, since it's out of context)

I've already gotten into this once. If they had put Haruhi in a banana costume I'd have no right to complain; and if they end up doing Disappearance pretty soon after Sigh, I'll withdrawal any. But that is an outfit Haruhi only wears in Disappearance . If such an image coupled with "new season announcement" doesn't mean, Disappearance will be a part of said "new season", what, may I ask, does it mean to convey?

[Heminga13]

Originally Posted by Heatth

July 2008 was before or after the second season be 'canceled'? Makes difference.


And how was thes march megazine? Idon't remember.

July 7, 2007 - Second season announced (BLR teaser)
December 18, 2007 - Second season cancelled, new project announced (Vanishment teaser)
July 2008 Newtype - New project information (Vanishment teaser)
July 7, 2008 - Another BLR teaser on the haruhi.tv site.
March 2009 Newtype - Renewed airing of TMoHS announced (Vanishment teaser [pretty sure at least one of the pictures were])

Seeing as how my sig doesn't ever want to work, I'll just post this *spoilers for up to current episode*: http://heminga13.livejournal.com/1200.html (it's my complete speculation stuff that more people should look at imo to at least think about it)

[Frostydrops]

Originally Posted by Ice Block

涼宮ハルヒの消失 -> The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi. I don't see this phrase anywhere in the picture. What's needed to refute my claim is this exact phrase, or even just 消失 in the context of "new season announcement".

That is an outfit worn by Haruhi only in novel 4. So yesh, its proof.

On-Topic: Glad this borefest is finally over..

[Parappashi]

I punched the air when Kyon finally said it, it was just one of best moments in Anime for me and I'm guessing a few others must feel the same. Strange though I just had this feeling that Nagato was going to save the day, perhaps just give the tiniest of hints to Kyon of what he could do, but it was all him.

Kyon, sorry for doubting you.

Damn, seeing Mikuru cry this episode made me wanna give her a big hug.

[Myssa Rei]

Originally Posted by Mei19

Hmm...and so...what was Haruhi's regret?

Many things, though two things stick to mind: all of the activities during the Endless Summer was of her urging, with the SOS-dan just tagging along like mindless drones. Also, there's the Kyon factor; I think she was pretty much waiting for a prompt from him (for ANYTHING) so she can enjoy one more day that isn't focused on her for a change.

Admittedly it's been a while since I read Endless Eight...

[mokuseimaru]

Originally Posted by Parappashi

I punched the air when Kyon finally said it, it was just one of best moments in Anime for me and I'm guessing a few others must feel the same. Strange though I just had this feeling that Nagato was going to save the day, perhaps just give the tiniest of hints to Kyon of what he could do, but it was all him.

I have the feeling that Nagato probably could have stopped the loop any time she wanted, probably from the 2nd or 3rd loop on. It wasn't that hard to figure out, seeing as Haruhi comes out and says, "I had something planned for tomorrow, but if you're tired you can rest"; she just wanted to spend the last day of summer with her friends. My view is that for the Integrated Sentient Data Entity, any kind of direct interference with Haruhi (outside of the instances where it's necessary to prevent Haruhi from destroying the world or becoming aware of her powers) is absolutely forbidden. The ISDE has no tolerance for interference---and not just in a case like Asakura's, who just wanted to interfere out of a selfish desire for new data, but even in a case like Yuki's where she probably wanted to interfere only to keep herself from losing her mind. The only difference is, Yuki didn't act because she knew that doing so would earn her a similar response to the one she gave Asakura---namely, that her superior would come crashing onto the scene to erase her the moment before or after she had done it.

[OkamiNoKaze]

I think it's that they didn't fill up that last day with some activitiy, I have a feeling it wasn't just the homework, homework just happened to be the think that came Kyon first. I think anything would have worked that wasn't already on the list.

[Parappashi]

Originally Posted by mokuseimaru

I have the feeling that Nagato probably could have stopped the loop any time she wanted, probably from the 2nd or 3rd loop on. It wasn't that hard to figure out, seeing as Haruhi comes out and says, "I had something planned for tomorrow, but if you're tired you can rest"; she just wanted to spend the last day of summer with her friends. My view is that for the Integrated Sentient Data Entity, any kind of direct interference with Haruhi (outside of the instances where it's necessary to prevent Haruhi from destroying the world or becoming aware of her powers) is absolutely forbidden. The ISDE has no tolerance for interference---and not just in a case like Asakura's, who just wanted to interfere out of a selfish desire for new data, but in a case like Yuki's where she probably wanted to interfere only to keep herself from losing her mind. The only difference is, Yuki didn't act because she knew that doing so would earn her a similar response to the one she gave Asakura---namely, that he superior would come crashing onto the scene to erase her the moment before or after she had done it.

Yeah I see your point there.

Just seeing a couple of little twitches from Yuki during the E8 episodes made me think she must be dying inside! Ah well, she held out.

[Solachinx]

Originally Posted by Parappashi

Strange though I just had this feeling that Nagato was going to save the day,

Do not always rely on Yuki Nagato; remember that.

[Le Zeep]

Do you think Yuki got to keep all those masks? I was debating wether or not when the world was reset if she still had the masks or if they were gone too.

That would be sooooo many masks if she still had all of them D: