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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 162 | 45.38% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 29 | 8.12% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 8.96% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 42 | 11.76% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 15 | 4.20% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 15 | 4.20% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 7 | 1.96% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 5 | 1.40% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 10 | 2.80% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 40 | 11.20% | |
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2009-08-09, 22:12 | Link #861 |
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Yeah, at this point I think everyone's got their mind set on exactly what Endless Eight did for them and how they think the story played out plot-wise. Unless we get Tanigawa or someone from KyoAni explaining the reasons behind it (either about the adaption or the story itself) to give us an official answer there's not much left for us to do.
Let's get ready for the next arc!
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2009-08-10, 00:10 | Link #865 |
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I haven't been here for a while but from what I'm hearing Endless Eight is over. About freaken time, Jesus. Anyway I guess I'll just finish off these last few episodes and wait for the next "new" episode. Glad my pain and suffering is over.
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2009-08-10, 02:48 | Link #866 |
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Endless eight was just like a hurricane simulator. We all survived it and waited "patiently" for it to end. hahaha
But on topic, great episode. A lot of things were changed in this episode compared to the other semi-identical endless eight episodes. The ending had me griping for air!! I was cheering Kyon on to break this curse of endlessness...and so it happened. |
2009-08-10, 07:42 | Link #868 |
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I think this article is a good read.
http://www.baka-raptor.com/2009/08/0...ss-pedophilia/ Sorry if it was posted before.
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2009-08-10, 08:35 | Link #870 | |
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He's right about the key point - just not enough creativity/variation shown between the loops. Probably the biggest lesson I've taken from Endless Eight is that KyoAni couldn't do good anime original content if their livelihoods depended on it. To be brutally honest, eight year olds could have come up with something more exciting for iterations 2 through 7. I strongly agree with baka-raptor on one thing - time loop stories shouldn't suck. Most time loop stories I've watched where loads of fun - especially Higurashi. But the cardinal rule of time loop stories is that you have to go crazy with it - you can't play it tight and close to the vest. The big benefit of a time loop story is that the unresolved time loops can include all sorts of zany insanity since it has no lasting relevance at the end. OTOH, baka-raptor is over-stating the pedophile issue - and this is coming from a guy who finds a fair bit of lolicon to be questionable. Haruhi, Mikuru, and Yuki are in their mid-to-late teens - their "legal" in their own country, as well as in many other places. Ok, technically Yuki is 3/4 years old, but she doesn't look it. |
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2009-08-10, 08:52 | Link #872 | |
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Even if that's the case, though - when boring your audience (for this long) is the intended goal... I agree with Akka, that's kind of insane. |
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2009-08-10, 09:16 | Link #874 | ||
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A) Observe Haruhi, which the DITE views as an Outside-Context Problem/Key to Transcendence. - Subgoal: Protect Haruhi, as she's no good to the DITE if dead. - Subgoal: Protect Kyon, whom, thanks to meddling on the part of post-Singularity Humanity, is now the Key To Everything. - Sub-subgoal: Observe Kyon. Observe Kyon and Haruhi. Being trapped in 595 years of recursion serves her goals perfectly, since it supplies the DITE with 595 years worth of Haruhi physics-bending data. Since Haruhi resets everything at the end of the loop, she's removed post-Singularity Humanity (Mikuru's faction) from the equation. Since they're just doing some harmless summer activities in the loop, it also satisfies the subgoals of protecting Haruhi and Kyon from harm. And they do ask her, Kyon especially. Her responses seem to be given with the intention of strongly discouraging further inquiry. Instead of volunteering clues which might make the SOS-dan try something stupid which could violate her core goals (i.e. contaminating the data, like Asakura wanted to do, or potentially put Haruhi and Kyon at risk,) she merely data-dumps trivia on Kyon until he gives up in a combination of disgust and despair. And then primly states that it's her duty to observe. We also know that Mikuru is completely worthless. She has a complete lack of initiative, since for her, being in this period of time is like walking blindfolded through a minefield. She wouldn't dare take any action that wasn't ordered by her superiors. Not to mention, in cases of emergency, her superiors may have given her standing orders to do nothing but wait for Kyon to think of a way out of it. To Mikuru's faction, it's all ancient history, and they have a compulsion to ensure history turns out the way they've recorded it. One might think that Koizumi could take some sort of action. And he does. He doesn't want to draw undue attention to himself and his Organization, so if he wants Haruhi to do something other than what she wants, he works through Kyon. He investigates his deja vu, builds his case for their endless summer, and then presents it to Kyon. He also has that . . . helpful . . . suggestion on how to end the loop. Which is entirely consistent with his view that Kyon is Haruhi's Chosen One. Kyon, whose density lies somewhere between that of a neutron star and a black hole, chooses to ignore him. So the SOS-dan has taken just about all the action they can. The fact that they're stuck in a 595 year loop can be blamed almost entirely on Kyon's epic lack of balls and the DITE's desire for lots and lots of consistent data. Quote:
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2009-08-10, 09:38 | Link #875 | |
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It's not because basically anything can be somehow "justified" with enough rationalization that it makes it logical and worthy. There is a time where you have to let go of the over-rationalization and just see the obvious. They are simply not even trying and waiting passively for the deus ex machina to happens. This is BAD storytelling, and plain stupidity. The only one who has a somehow believable joker is Yuki, and it's still quite a stretch as she's very capable at giving nods in the right direction the rest of the time. |
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2009-08-10, 09:45 | Link #876 |
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Care to explain better? I can't see Mikuru or Yuki acting different. Koizumi, maybe, but I don't know if he would ask for Nagato's help.
Kyon is on you couls say is holding the idiot ball. However, he don't see to really care that much about the loops (there is always another chance, after all). The same goes for Itsuki, btw. He seens to be having fun for most of the episode (though his facial expressions are not reliable). |
2009-08-10, 10:14 | Link #877 | |
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All the counter I saw about that were rationalization about how it could be considered adequate for them to not do it. And that's the problem with rationalization : you can ALWAYS find a way to explain everything if you look hard enough. I tend to think that the difference with a bad plot and a good plot is that the latter doesn't need rationalization. If it seems alright and logical at least at first glance, it means that the characters were at least adequate in their reactions. When I facepalm because I find glaring holes in their logic and acts in real time, it means that they are acting considerably more stupidly than me, which, unless their stupidity is a plot point, shows that the story is simply bad. Overlooking the obvious is a very common flaw in weak storyline. It can be forgiven when it's a minor point or consequence-free. When the arc drags on for so long and cause such a ruckus, it becomes inexcusable. |
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2009-08-10, 10:24 | Link #878 | ||
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I understand you pain, I think this whole thing was ad executed. But the characters are are still in-character. You wouldn't think taht way if it was only 1 or 2 episodes (like the original chapter). After seeing it 7 times (not counting the first one) you can think many ways, true. But their behavious is not strange if was only one time (and, for then, it was). I am still not seeing how do you thing they would act. |
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2009-08-10, 10:41 | Link #879 |
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A possible theory I'll throw out there since I don't recall reading anything much like it...
Maybe Kyon was enjoying the Endless Summer activities much more than his narration would lead you to believe (this wouldn't be the first time when Kyon's snarky narration acted as a thick shroud hiding his true positive feelings). Kyon is a character that, frankly, tends to deceive himself a lot - not admitting how much fun and excitement Haruhi and the SOS Brigade is genuinely bringing into his life. Plus... remember the song "School's out for summer... school's out forever!"? It's a genuinely celebratory song that kids used to sing at the start of summer - the idea being that they were pumped over being free from school. Maybe the idea of an endless summer - of a life with out school and dreaded homework - held some appeal to Kyon. Honestly, an endless summer is some people's idea of an utopian dream world - this could very well be Koizumi's excuse for not doing more in any event. Last edited by Triple_R; 2009-08-10 at 10:53. |
2009-08-10, 10:51 | Link #880 | |
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But hell, this work for Itsuki. Don't think he cares about not having school (actually, I think he enjoy study). But not having to worry about Haruhi is surelly good for him. He constantly states he would love if Haruhi loses her powers. And since she don't feel the de va vu, it don't have any danger of her braking out. That might be why she felt so happy (come on, he only seens depressed on the restaurant scene. Even Kyon comment he seens to be enjoying the situation at the park). |
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