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AbZeroNow · 2013-09-18, 10:23

Moon Phase indicates that Gundam Unicorn Episode 7 premieres in March 2014.

bio9205 · 2013-09-20, 04:43

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Originally Posted by AbZeroNow

Moon Phase indicates that Gundam Unicorn Episode 7 premieres in March 2014.

Moon Phase? Is that a website? Is it reliable?

MK-95- · 2013-09-22, 16:39

I noticed when I was rewatching Gundam Unicorn ep 1, that the AD era was before the UC era.

Does that mean that Gundam 00 ties into the Uc era? or is it still an alternate universe?

Because 00 uses GN technology(which would be primitive technology) would be technically superior to the technology of the UC era(future/advanced technology). Also, the Innovator & Newtype stages of human evolution would contradict each other & the biggest contradiction would be the ELS, where did they go?

I brought this up because Turn a Gundam's timeline ties in with the UC timeline.(The UC timeline taking place roughly 3000 years before Turn a Gundam's timeline.) Look it up if you don't believe me.

Rising Dragon · 2013-09-22, 16:46

The Universal Century timeline has absolutely nothing to do with Gundam 00.

MK-95- · 2013-09-22, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

The Universal Century timeline has absolutely nothing to do with Gundam 00.

I know that the alternate timelines are to be treated as separate, but I was entertaining the thought, seeing as we have at least one alternate Gundam(Turn a) that ties in with UC.

Rising Dragon · 2013-09-22, 18:36

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Originally Posted by mangakid95

I know that the alternate timelines are to be treated as separate, but I was entertaining the thought, seeing as we have at least one alternate Gundam(Turn a) that ties in with UC.

Turn A ties a number of Gundam series into it, including UC, Wing, X, and G Gundams. However, Turn A was made long before SEED and 00 and AGE, all of which don't really fit into it.

MK-95- · 2013-09-22, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Turn A ties a number of Gundam series into it, including UC, Wing, X, and G Gundams. However, Turn A was made long before SEED and 00 and AGE, all of which don't really fit into it.

That's the point that I'm trying to make. Turn a proved that many Gundams tooks place in the same universe, just in different eras. Turn a establishes UC as roughly 3000 years before their own timeline, so the others like Wing could be even longer than that or less.

So since 00 is established in AD & Unicorn confirmed that AD is the era before UC, it's plausible but unlikely that 00 could tie into it. However, if it does, then there'll be a lot of contradictions with the UC established history.

Rising Dragon · 2013-09-22, 20:38

No, it's not plausible at all. For one, it's an AU, and UC is the main timeline. Even Turn A can't explain away the inconsistencies, and 00 certainly wasn't made to be fit into the Turn A theory.

MK-95- · 2013-09-22, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

No, it's not plausible at all. For one, it's an AU, and UC is the main timeline. Even Turn A can't explain away the inconsistencies, and 00 certainly wasn't made to be fit into the Turn A theory.

I'm not trying to argue a point here, I'm just bringing up the possibility of tying one era into another.

However, I do agree with you that 00 can't fit into the canon timeline. There are too many differences between 00 & the ones that actually do tie in with UC.

1) 00's technology is too advanced to fall into the UC timeline.
2) The Innovator would also contradict with the Newtype.
3) In 00, fossil fuels are basically exhausted, while UC doesn't have this problem.
4) The ELS are earth's neighbours in AD, but in UC (which is the era after AD) there is no sign of them ever being present.

It's also too much content to retcon, they'd need to alter 00's story completely for it to tie into UC's history.

brightman · 2013-09-23, 05:47

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Originally Posted by mangakid95

That's the point that I'm trying to make. Turn a proved that many Gundams tooks place in the same universe, just in different eras. Turn a establishes UC as roughly 3000 years before their own timeline, so the others like Wing could be even longer than that or less.

So since 00 is established in AD & Unicorn confirmed that AD is the era before UC, it's plausible but unlikely that 00 could tie into it. However, if it does, then there'll be a lot of contradictions with the UC established history.

AD is also the era that occurred right before FC,AC, and CE... So for the Turn A theory to work in the first place, AD must have happened many times in history... So 00 can always happen in the far future of the timeline even though it's AD.

AbZeroNow · 2013-09-23, 12:41

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Originally Posted by bio9205

Moon Phase? Is that a website? Is it reliable?

Url for Moon Phase: http://m-p.sakura.ne.jp/Html/anime.html

It's a very reliable website(perhaps others can speak more to exactly how reliable it is). Titles are in Japanese and if you scroll down to the Movies section, you'll see where Gundum Unicorn episode 7 is.

You can always feel free to wait for ANN to confirm a date.

MK-95- · 2013-09-23, 17:04

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Originally Posted by brightman

AD is also the era that occurred right before FC,AC, and CE... So for the Turn A theory to work in the first place, AD must have happened many times in history... So 00 can always happen in the far future of the timeline even though it's AD.

Well, at least someone saw what I was trying to point out. Yes, this is what I meant when I said tie series' together.

Initially, we thought that UC was the only canon timeline(which it actually is) & all other timelines were simply alternate universes. Turn A changed that by tying multiple timelines together, therefore proving that while the timelines are different, the universe is the same.

All we simply need to do is identify where does each timeline intersect/transition into each other. 00's technology is the most advanced Gundam technology to date, with the UC's Psychoframe being a close contender. That's why I'm not entirely sure if/how 00 fits in.

Helius · 2013-09-24, 06:32

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Originally Posted by mangakid95

Initially, we thought that UC was the only canon timeline(which it actually is) & all other timelines were simply alternate universes. Turn A changed that by tying multiple timelines together, therefore proving that while the timelines are different, the universe is the same.

While wishful thinking is nice every now and then, but just so you know, Turn A didn't "prove" anything. It was an anniversary project meant to celebrate the Gundam shows which came before. That show stands in its own sandbox. Its depiction of UC and AU units alike wasn't meant to be taken at face value, or else Tomino wouldn't have set the storyline at "3000 years after UC".

It was about as canon as Super Robot Wars, for crying out loud!

UC is UC, AU is AU. They're separate and are meant to be treated as such.

MK-95- · 2013-09-24, 10:16

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Originally Posted by Helius

While wishful thinking is nice every now and then, but just so you know, Turn A didn't "prove" anything. It was an anniversary project meant to celebrate the Gundam shows which came before. That show stands in its own sandbox. Its depiction of UC and AU units alike wasn't meant to be taken at face value, or else Tomino wouldn't have set the storyline at "3000 years after UC".

It was about as canon as Super Robot Wars, for crying out loud!

UC is UC, AU is AU. They're separate and are meant to be treated as such.

Every idea/discovery starts off as nothing more than "wishful thinking." Keep that in mind.

Turn A did "prove" it. It showed that if Sunrise wants to tie all their gundams together, they can. That's the point I'm making. I'm not arguing that 00 "IS" canon, I'm debating that if it were brought into the canon, where/how would it fit.

I'm well aware of what is the canon & what is alternate, I'm not incompetent. I proposed said discussion after noticing that AD is directly before UC.

This discussion is purely hypothetical, therefore it shouldn't be taken 100% seriously.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2013-09-24, 11:24

^ I don’t mean to take your idea seriously, but trying to tie all Gundam series into one universe with different time-line is like trying to do the same to James Bond movies (from Connery to Craig, if you will). Sure, anybody can try it, but the result will end up ridiculous at best and abysmal at worst

. Macross, a similar 'space opera' franchise itself is already struggling (if not downright fail) with its continuity in just one universe, and it has less series than Gundam

.

Helius · 2013-09-24, 13:31

Yeah. Seriously, just give it up. Sure you can entertain all you want the notion that UC and AU are somehow related/linked, but there's really no point 'cause it's ridiculous. If you go down that road, before long you'll start arguing the world had been transformed since Victory and Gundams were no longer used as weapons but boxing mechs in fighting tournaments.

MK-95- · 2013-09-24, 13:37

Good analogy with the 007 example.

I see what you're posing, even though it's against what was hypothesized, I've no way to refute it because it makes complete sense.

I hypothesized putting everything into one universe because I was never really a fan of series' with AU. But your post doesn't present any flawed logic, that is fact. Bringing all those different technologies, concepts & human evolution theories into the mainstream universe does seem potent.

The only way it can be pulled off & still seem legit, is if they separate the eras by millenniums. But that in itself would also cause a few contradictions.

Thus, disproving the hypothesis but not destroying it entirely. Fine, I concede.

brightman · 2013-09-24, 17:20

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Originally Posted by Helius

While wishful thinking is nice every now and then, but just so you know, Turn A didn't "prove" anything. It was an anniversary project meant to celebrate the Gundam shows which came before. That show stands in its own sandbox. Its depiction of UC and AU units alike wasn't meant to be taken at face value, or else Tomino wouldn't have set the storyline at "3000 years after UC".

It was about as canon as Super Robot Wars, for crying out loud!

UC is UC, AU is AU. They're separate and are meant to be treated as such.

Sunrise was pretty serious about it. Fukuda made it a point to incorporate the Turn A bang into Seed because of that mandate (ie the moon base and presence of Newtypes)

Overanalyzing it wouldn't do any good though when certain things don't even make sense within each timeline. Point is it is there.

Destined_Fate · 2013-09-24, 18:38

Pshaw.

Multi-Verse.

Turn A doesn't have everything lead to it, it merely has data on other universes!

There, no more inconsistencies about trying to fit every Gundam series into a single universe as they don't have to through multi-verse.

bio9205 · 2013-09-27, 09:08

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Originally Posted by AbZeroNow

Url for Moon Phase: http://m-p.sakura.ne.jp/Html/anime.html

It's a very reliable website(perhaps others can speak more to exactly how reliable it is). Titles are in Japanese and if you scroll down to the Movies section, you'll see where Gundum Unicorn episode 7 is.

You can always feel free to wait for ANN to confirm a date.

Yep I found it, thanks for that. Still a little hard to believe, but it's nice to have a date to look forward to!

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AbZeroNow North American Haruhiist Join Date: Oct 2010 Age: 43	Moon Phase indicates that Gundam Unicorn Episode 7 premieres in March 2014. __________________

2013-09-22, 16:39	Link #1863
MK-95- Best Girl Connoisseur Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Trinidad & Tobago Age: 28	I noticed when I was rewatching Gundam Unicorn ep 1, that the AD era was before the UC era. Does that mean that Gundam 00 ties into the Uc era? or is it still an alternate universe? Because 00 uses GN technology(which would be primitive technology) would be technically superior to the technology of the UC era(future/advanced technology). Also, the Innovator & Newtype stages of human evolution would contradict each other & the biggest contradiction would be the ELS, where did they go? I brought this up because Turn a Gundam's timeline ties in with the UC timeline.(The UC timeline taking place roughly 3000 years before Turn a Gundam's timeline.) Look it up if you don't believe me. __________________ "When there is evil in this world that justice cannot defeat, would you taint your hands with evil to defeat evil? Or would you remain steadfast and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?" - Lelouch vi Britannia as Zero.

2013-09-22, 16:46	Link #1864
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	The Universal Century timeline has absolutely nothing to do with Gundam 00. __________________

2013-09-22, 20:38	Link #1868
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	No, it's not plausible at all. For one, it's an AU, and UC is the main timeline. Even Turn A can't explain away the inconsistencies, and 00 certainly wasn't made to be fit into the Turn A theory. __________________

2013-09-24, 11:24	Link #1875
Obelisk ze Tormentor Black Steel Knight Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Indonesia	^ I don’t mean to take your idea seriously, but trying to tie all Gundam series into one universe with different time-line is like trying to do the same to James Bond movies (from Connery to Craig, if you will). Sure, anybody can try it, but the result will end up ridiculous at best and abysmal at worst . Macross, a similar 'space opera' franchise itself is already struggling (if not downright fail) with its continuity in just one universe, and it has less series than Gundam . __________________

2013-09-24, 13:31	Link #1876
Helius Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: stuck between galaxies	Yeah. Seriously, just give it up. Sure you can entertain all you want the notion that UC and AU are somehow related/linked, but there's really no point 'cause it's ridiculous. If you go down that road, before long you'll start arguing the world had been transformed since Victory and Gundams were no longer used as weapons but boxing mechs in fighting tournaments.

2013-09-24, 13:37	Link #1877
MK-95- Best Girl Connoisseur Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Trinidad & Tobago Age: 28	Good analogy with the 007 example. I see what you're posing, even though it's against what was hypothesized, I've no way to refute it because it makes complete sense. I hypothesized putting everything into one universe because I was never really a fan of series' with AU. But your post doesn't present any flawed logic, that is fact. Bringing all those different technologies, concepts & human evolution theories into the mainstream universe does seem potent. The only way it can be pulled off & still seem legit, is if they separate the eras by millenniums. But that in itself would also cause a few contradictions. Thus, disproving the hypothesis but not destroying it entirely. Fine, I concede. __________________ "When there is evil in this world that justice cannot defeat, would you taint your hands with evil to defeat evil? Or would you remain steadfast and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?" - Lelouch vi Britannia as Zero.

2013-09-24, 18:38	Link #1879
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Pshaw. Multi-Verse. Turn A doesn't have everything lead to it, it merely has data on other universes! There, no more inconsistencies about trying to fit every Gundam series into a single universe as they don't have to through multi-verse.