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View Poll Results: Psycho-Pass - Episode 19 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 15 | 30.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 21 | 42.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 14.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 12.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 2.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-03-06, 03:22 | Link #162 | |
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I really like Kagari, but it's painfully obvious that he is abnormally detached; he literally does not give a single shit when his coworkers fight, grins when he sees dead bodies and thinks it would be a fun idea to run mobs over. So is Yayoi, that's the reason she's in the background so much. She doesn't really seem to care about anything, in fact, she doesn't even care when Kogami went rogue. Now, I'm not saying that the two are 100% going to commit serious crimes if they were let out in society, but there's clearly something wrong with them. The incarceration of Yayoi and Kagari isn't exactly justified, but you have to agree that there is a higher than normal chance of them becoming criminals.
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2013-03-06, 05:11 | Link #163 | |
I disagree with you all.
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2013-03-06, 05:21 | Link #164 | |||||
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Aside from the interesting bits Terizent raised, we know that there have been hints on them having some disturbing mindsets: Yayoi isn't disturbed eating while Akane and Shion discussed some disturbing things. Shion: "She's into more violent and passionate stuff". ...and we know nothing else really on proving or disproving her being a latent criminal. Kagari had no qualms with running over everyone during the riots. While I don't really like playing the what-if game, for a purely speculative arguments: Who knows if Yayoi would have joined Rina and become a terrorist had Sibyl not arrested her and Kogami convinced her on the side of justice (or power...I can't 100% remember what smooth words he used to convince her). We don't know whether everyone gets a CC reading at aged 5, or whether Kagari did something special to get a reading done in the first place. But again, these arguments holds as much weight as "and if they don't commit a crime?" due to no clear explanation on what happened to them. Quote:
Saying it's broken just because it can't comprehend the one in one million isn't broken. That's like saying Newtonian physics is broken because it can't explain general relativity. Quote:
But saying that, they also said they're the only country with laws, which we don't really know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Quote:
The system alone cannot prevent crimes by people who have unique ideologies. Again, I have no idea if you're just equating all people with unique ideologies = serial killers or all people with unique ideologies = Makishima or what. The Spookie Boogie impersonator, the hunter, the schoolgirl artist are your "common everyday" serial killer, Makishima is not. Quote:
Let's wait and see what Akane's role will be with Sibyl and whether she'll decide to fix it or not. |
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2013-03-06, 05:44 | Link #165 | ||
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Sybil only wants to do one thing; adds to itself with new brains. It is the only acceptable "answer" to all its problems and flaws. The real solution is the dumping of the Sybil system and restore checks and balances with a transparent government. But Sybil can't do that; it's priority is not a working system, but a system where it holds absolute power. The right solution is the dismantling of Sybil. But Sybil will not do so. So someone else would have to do it. My point is that too many in this thread takes it at face value that "once Sybil got Makishima's brain, everything would be fine". When there is no proof that it would make Sybil any better. All we have is Sybil's claims. And we know Sybil can't be trusted. Quote:
The whole point of oats is the Japan had managed to be self-sufficient in food. This allowed the country to be isolated. If they lose the crop, they would have to trade for food... Which means there IS food in the outside world to trade. Which means the outside world isn't as scary as Sybil likes to imply.
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2013-03-06, 07:07 | Link #166 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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A collective of 250 brains that rule with complete power by scanning the mental state of its citizens and determining whether they should be medicated, killed, and what job positions they should have, is so authoritarian that it's going to look at any other kind of government as anarchy.
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2013-03-06, 07:19 | Link #167 | |||
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You can thank the writers for being bad at providing a full explanation because they haven't exactly shown whether Japan is worst, same or better than the rest of the world. Quote:
No, thinking you're a god is biased. Saying "no other nation is ruled by law" is the story saying "no other nation is ruled by law". |
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2013-03-06, 07:46 | Link #168 | |
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Oh, no... That's not "story" speaking. That's Sybil's words. One has to able to tell when a source is trustworthy or not.
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2013-03-06, 09:05 | Link #169 | ||||||
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Psycho-Pass is anime original, so the anime story should be judged on its own. Not everybody who watches Psycho-Pass is also going to read the Psycho-Pass novelization. Quote:
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But even if that's not the case, one coworker not caring a great deal about another is hardly a sign of latent criminality. Quote:
Yayoi... No, I don't agree that there is a higher than normal chance of her becoming criminal. Actually, I find it remarkable that she's handled what's happened in her life as well as she has. I'd expect somebody like her to be full of hatred and resentment for the world. Yet she doesn't appear to. At worst, she's perhaps been numbed a bit by it all. Quote:
Based on the Hyper-Oats strategy of bringing down Sybil, there must be nations outside of Sybil that are well-organized enough to import mass quantities of food into Japan. A truly lawless country would simply not have the wherewithal to engage in the degree of international trade necessary to literally save another country from starvation. Roger Rambo is likely right here - In the eyes of a country that attempts to catch criminals before they can commit crimes, a different country that goes by that old-fashioned method of waiting for crimes to be reported, apprehending the suspect, trying him in court, having a presumption of innocence, etc... likely seems like a "lawless" or even "barabaric" country.
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2013-03-06, 09:36 | Link #170 | |
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Akane is supposed to be the Sibyl System's new pawn. Her story arc from here on should be pretty obvious.
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2013-03-06, 15:17 | Link #172 | |
Kubo GO TO HELL
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2013-03-06, 16:04 | Link #173 | |
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-Girl gains authority/power in system -Girl learns horrible secret/is abused by system -Girl uses her information/power to fight against system It's pretty much standard cyberpunk story B.
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2013-03-06, 16:25 | Link #175 | |
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I'm sorry, but I'm not so naive to put everything in little categories. And I'm -especially- not so naive that a story as complex as this would go for a simple conclusion like this. No wonder I couldn't tell what you were thinking. |
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2013-03-06, 16:34 | Link #176 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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...and going by your first statement, I don't think you remotely understood what I was saying. So I'll try to be more clear. When Sybil claims that it is the only nation on earth ruled by "law", what exactly does Sybil mean by "law"? Well it probably means something similar to how it runs Japan. Where Sybil personally exercises influence and control over every single one of it's citizens. Sybil exercises a tremendous amount of "law" over its citizens, from determining if they should be medicated, imprisoned, and even what careers they'll pursue. To Sybil, yielding that level of control over a population is "law". Now think about this. If Sybil thinks that controlling and influencing the minutia of almost every aspect of its citizens lives is the rule of law, what would Sybil think of a country that didn't do those things? If Sybil defines "rule of law" as a clinical pseudo mind reading police state...then wouldn't the absence of the clinical pseudo mind reading police state be inferred to be anarchy, regardless of what kind of government it had?
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2013-03-06, 17:51 | Link #177 |
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Maybe you were a bit put-off by the fact that Sibyl turned out to be a bunch of brains with a God-complex, but you forget that the way they run things is based on logical calculations meant to determine the best and efficient method to maintain order. THIS is probably what they meant by "A country ruled by law". One where murderers and rapists actually get locked up rather than roam free.
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Besides, from what I can see, Psycho-Pass has had an extremely conventional story. And this only becomes more true if you compare it to print cyberpunk. Urobuchi Gen is no Alfred Bester.
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2013-03-06, 20:03 | Link #180 | |
Logician and Romantic
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And they aren't lying as much as they think no one else's law counts.
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