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2004-04-13, 02:30 | Link #102 |
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Actually, to the repetition of "kill" of that little girl, I have a question or two...
I've never read the manga series and do not know the long term implication of the repetition. However this is something I've picked up in translations of both ToTan and A-Keep. The Japanese line spoken from the girl is "Koroshite... Koroshite." For ToTan, it's "Kill, Kill..." For A-Keep, it's "Please Kill, Please kill." **The following is mere speculation on the Japanese language and I welcome any and all constructive criticism and correction. I thought usually the usage of "-shite" implies asking, requesting, and/or begging? From the other posts on this thread, it seems that "Koroshite" is a part of a longer message? It that is the case, without major spoilers, would any manga fans comment on which interpretation of "Koroshite"--"Kill" or "Please kill"-- would fit better in the [speculated] final and complete message? Thanks much. Oh and there's a blonde woman looking over her shoulder in the OP scene, guess who that could be ? Last edited by Melazoma; 2004-04-13 at 03:48. Reason: Girl --> Woman |
2004-04-13, 04:12 | Link #106 |
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I just cant wait to see more of this, such a character study! I think I'll enjoy this "grey zone" as dreamless puts it. Since the worth of a human life can be measured it should be interesting to see what Tenma values as the series progresses.
and now I'm thinking; an opera singer and a diplomat...these people were ostensibly to be saved for the greater good correct? has tenma disrupted the natural order? Would it have been better for the hospital to get that extra money? I'm not so sure I can be behind him, but it looks like the show is trying very hard to bring the viewers' sympathies in line with his condition. Creepy stuff, this series. I want to see Tenma in the same position as the director: deciding who must live and die based on the merits of each life. I guess thats a bit twisted though. |
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As stereotypical as television or most the modern visual media go for the sake of definition, I just cannot see director Heinenman as anything but a money-grubbing traitor to his Hippopotimus(spelling error) Oath. |
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2004-04-13, 05:07 | Link #108 | |
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2004-04-13, 07:53 | Link #109 |
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The anime menu has 3 types of meals, it seems :
-lots of easily digestable shows, ready to swallow, nice and crispy baked air. You might feel relieved, but you'll grow hungry again soon. -some balanced meals, with all the right ingredients for your tummy. A little burp and you're satified till your next meal. The sun is shining, the weather is clear... aahh -few shows are real jawbreakers, making you chew over and over again. Your stomach can't put up with it, and will protest for several hours, but hey, at least you know you've eaten. Well (yes, after only 1 episode), Monster belongs in the third category, for sure. The tension, the drawing style,... even only little has happened so far, I'm already experiencing cramps. I must say it's been a long time since I've had those. FMA had me choking sometimes Last edited by walter clamans; 2004-04-13 at 08:12. |
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Personally, I think it depends upon what factors you are using to "choose" who will live or die. It seems as though the director is almost choosing based upon class lines. Rich, famous people are obviously "more important" and therefore deserve more effort to save them, especially since it will result in good things for the hospital.
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2004-04-13, 11:28 | Link #111 |
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well, the criteria to evaluate human life's worth is not the matter in discussion here, the point is, after all, for all people, they all have their own criteria to evaluate the values of different people's lives. So in the end, human lives are not equal in the eyes of any given person. I mean, sure, maybe in the eyes of something inhuman, the lives of all humans are equal, maybe even the value of all lives are equal in the eyes of something inhuman (ie. for the Monster, the life of a human worth as much as the life of an ant) but that's a bit hypocritical since we are mainly talking about humans here...
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2004-04-13, 11:41 | Link #112 |
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What I was trying to express was the difference between Tenma and the director's mode of operations, since both are "playing god" in a limited way. One is doing it for mostly selfish reasons, and the other, at least outwardly, isn't. It could be the only difference is that the director is more honest, though.
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2004-04-13, 11:51 | Link #113 |
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okay, seems we got a bit messed up here about what the point we are discussing here
1. Is Eva's "human lives are not equal" statement correct? 2. Is Tenma a better human being than the director? For me, 1. yes 2. yes And actually the answer to the second question is suppoerting the answer to the first question, since I think Tenma's life surely values more than that director's |
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I maybe the only person here who is more excited about the legendary musician David Sylvian taking part in the ED song.
It's also probably because I know how this is going to end as I have read the manga. On the other hand, since I do love Urasawa Naoki's works, I'll probably continue to watch this for the one and a half year... |
2004-04-13, 12:03 | Link #115 |
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Who's David Sylvian? I'm surprised that you are surprised that no one has mentioned or experssed excitement over this artist... I don't follow the much of the new music (anything post-1980s) scene as it is Anyone informed with the lastest pop chart or such?
As far as the ED song is concerned... I did like it as soon as it started, not because it's in English, but because the song's slow, and quiet--almost tranquil-- melody couple with the images of a storybook-style Jack-o-Lantern freaked the hell out of me. But as I listened to the end... there's no resolution? No "finish" as it were to the last note of the song--that alone left a weird taste in my mouth. Any information is appreciated^^ |
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To be honest, I'm not surprised that not many people have heard of him--he was bigger in the UK (and I take it Japan) than in the US, and he hasn't ever had a high profile in the US. He also hasn't done anything "pop" since the mid-80s at the latest. Also, many of the posters on this board are probably too young to know about him, since his last release with a lot of publicity was in the mid-90s (the CD with Fripp), and it's not the kind of thing most really young people would be into. I've been a fan of his since I was in junior high (in the 80s), though I'm not as hugely into him as I used to be, and I was excited to hear a song by him, so kj1980 isn't the only one happy to hear the ED. I just wonder if that's from his latest album, as I've only heard one track from it so far, and that wasn't it. The ED is a good song, though, and it's somewhat typical of his more mellow tracks, so if you like it, it's worth seeking out his other works. Of his solo material, Secrets of the Beehive is my favourite, though all have their moments. |
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I'm also excited Sylvian will be doing a "David Sylvian JAPAN TOUR 2004" from April 23-27th. I already got my tickets to go to the April 24th showing at the Showa Women's University. I am also very excited that when I learned we are also getting former Japan member Steve Jansen too! |
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