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2008-06-24, 15:41 | Link #2023 |
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Civil Wars tend to be the door to revolution. Even the Chinese Federation has a very short civil war resulting in the government being overthrown and changed. The Eunuch General and their followers vs Xing Ke, Tianzi, and the citizens.
There's a lot we've gained from Civil Wars in the U.S., after all. Our country, for one...
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2008-06-24, 15:41 | Link #2024 |
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Destruction is quicker and easier than trying to actually change something. And the results are of course way more noticeable. That doesn't mean nothing can change if you don't start kicking everything in your way. All these "Suzaku's way is hopeless!" claims are depressing and annoying.
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2008-06-24, 15:46 | Link #2029 |
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Well, revolution is alwas a sort of double-edged sword of sorts - it might fail and in the end as such nothing gained through it - the american civil war being an example. The revolution might be successfull though, gaineing new rights and what not for people - the american revolutionary war being an example there. Revolution isn't always the solution I'd say. But soemtimes, it might jsut have to be done. ´Changing fromt he inside may work as well - but at a just as enormus cost, because change takes time, especially in a setting like Britannia's. Revolution costs a lot in terms of destruction and lives, so you cannot perhaps ever truly justify it - but the same can go for changing from the inside; can you truly justify just sitting around and wait for things to change for the better while millions of people even might suffer for generations - especially when the desired change might never come that way?
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2008-06-24, 15:48 | Link #2030 |
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Because usually, though you have provided a good example with the Civil Rights Movement, Orga, violence through rebellion is usually the only way a) they are carried out or b) people think they will succeed. There have been failures...but here, well, using violence has certainly worked in Lelouch's favour. Suzaku, contrasting, has gotten virtually nowhere.
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2008-06-24, 15:50 | Link #2031 | |
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But honestly, the only non-racist full-blood Britannians we've seen are Lelouch, Nunnally, and Euphemia. I don't include Gino and Anya because we don't know their feelings towards Elevens are just yet. For the most part, though, we see that the Brittanians don't give a rat's ass about the Numbers. Most are oppressed and treat them cruelly, or are afraid of them and feel the Numbers are going to hurt them no matter what (just look at Nina) Though in that regard, the Numbers have a REALLY good reason for hating Brittanians (what with the whole losing the country's name and what not). |
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Changing things from the inside is also only a viable option when there are a number of those in power that want such change or can be persuaded. Britannia nobility has been shown to be perfectly happy lording over everyone else, and remember the Emperor's speeches, the country's founding principle seems to be Darwinism. If the Areas want rights or whatever they will have to fight for it.
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TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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2008-06-24, 15:53 | Link #2034 |
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You could also try to look at things from another perspective.
- Lelouch wanted to destroy Britannia but didn't have the power to do so. He got Geass, and started working on it. - Suzaku wanted to change Britannia but didn't have the power to do so either. Now he's Knight of Seven, and starts working on it by trying to become Knight of One. Except it doesn't count. Because he's Suzaku. |
2008-06-24, 15:54 | Link #2035 |
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Things can't be changed from the inside. That's what revolutions are for. There are more examples of things being changed through force and uprising than of things being changed by single people.
Even in the U.S., big changes are only made because the citizens rose up and demanded change.
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