[Manga] Naruto Chapter 640 Discussion Thread

[Mad Pierrot]

The Hokages are going down... Well, I don't understand much about how the Shinra Tensei works but I guess now they are nothing to Obito.

I wonder how much more time it will take Naruto to get that Kurama form again. Now he is in his beta Biju mode right?

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by cmancushman

If Sasuke and Naruto were to somehow combine (maybe Sasuke will get killed off and give Naruto his eyes; this is possible, Obito and Kakashi proved that), then they could become a more perfect version of the Sage, and thus a more powerful one. This is all speculation, so don't treat it like fact or anything.

saskuto? i think this is a given. naruto and sasuke just haven't put their earrings in yet

[DKN117]

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

saskuto? i think this is a given. naruto and sasuke just haven't put their earrings in yet

Alternatively...

Sasuke: "No, Naruto! I am NOT doing that stupid dance!"

Naruto: "Oh, come ON, Sasuke! Is a little 'dignity' over looking silly really worth the world?!"

Sasuke: "I'm an Uchiha; what do you think my answer to that will be?"

[itachi-san314]

^haha! sadly, it actually sounds like a more worthwhile and mature reason than a boyhood crush or a boyhood rivalry...

[HasuMasu]

I'm liking Obito more and more, but I wonder what the next step is in the Nature Transformation if Particle Style was solid, and Obito's new Particle Style is liquid.

Gas would be weird...but effective, reminds me of C4 Chakra.

[Bakaizer]

They need to seal Obito fast. that;s the only way I can think of as of now

[Silver-Throne]

Great just great, an OVERPOWERED BADASS guys. What`s next?

If you can`t handle stronger enemy, why not seal them alive? That`s the best solution

[Cookie-Monster]

Can Yondaime give Naruto the other half of the kyubi chakra at any time? Or can he only do it when he "dies"/unsummoned?

[Monster0]

Originally Posted by Cookie-Monster

Can Yondaime give Naruto the other half of the kyubi chakra at any time? Or can he only do it when he "dies"/unsummoned?

Good question,and i believe that he can.It all depends on the nature of the ninja seal he used.If the seal is similar to the one naruto has he should have no problem,he had to release/loosen it to become 9tails mode any way.Or at least that's how it was shown to work for Naruto,it could be different.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

saskuto? i think this is a given. naruto and sasuke just haven't put their earrings in yet

I am somewhat expecting a Kyuubi powered Susano'o, so I guess that's somewhat close to Goten...

Originally Posted by Hasumi

I'm liking Obito more and more, but I wonder what the next step is in the Nature Transformation if Particle Style was solid, and Obito's new Particle Style is liquid.

I don't know what Obito has to do with anything. He's still the hapless fool he's always been, he just happens to have a better design and mucho grande powers now (adding a bunch of cool powers to a zero still means you only really have the cool powers).

Originally Posted by Cookie-Monster

Can Yondaime give Naruto the other half of the kyubi chakra at any time? Or can he only do it when he "dies"/unsummoned?

Minato will only give Naruto his "present" when it is most dramatically acceptable. .

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by james0246

I don't know what Obito has to do with anything. He's still the hapless fool he's always been, he just happens to have a better design and mucho grande powers now (adding a bunch of cool powers to a zero still means you only really have the cool powers).

yea. obito was just never a character worthy of having such godlike power. it would be like chouji or shino getting it. it just doesn't fit the character

Minato will only give Naruto his "present" when it is most dramatically acceptable. .

i still think he will end up giving it to sasuke. not necessarily by choice, but he may be in a position where he is being unsummoned and sasuke is the only 'good' person around to get the powerup

[GDB]

This whole thing is starting to feel like FMA's ending, to be perfectly honest.

[shalala]

Originally Posted by GDB

This whole thing is starting to feel like FMA's ending, to be perfectly honest.

Lool I'm starting to think that with Magi.

[mystogan]

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

i still think he will end up giving it to sasuke. not necessarily by choice, but he may be in a position where he is being unsummoned and sasuke is the only 'good' person around to get the powerup

i am think of something else, we saw naruto failed to execute a tailed beast bomb, which kinda gives the vibes that his power of nine tails in incomplete and then minato gives him the rest half and he is able to do a perfect tailed beast bomb then,

there would be no point adding it to sasuke, he already has got a lot in his arsenal

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by mystogan

there would be no point adding it to sasuke, he already has got a lot in his arsenal

Actually there is, if Naruto becomes much stronger than he is that might get in the way of the plot. According to the current plot they should soon compete for the hokage title and for that they should be around the same level. The other issue is that if they become like the younger and older sons of the Sage then they should be around the same power, representing the Yin and Yang duality, which requires a balance between the two forces.

My personal opinion is that Naruto should aim higher than hokage level, so there shouldn't be any problem if he becomes stronger. My guess is that Yondaime's gift will let Naruto combine his kyuubi mode with his sage mode which will give him a massive power boost that is required to fight Tobito. As for Sasuke, i think that he and Naruto will cooperate to beat the bad guys, and Naruto's chakra will be able to activate Sasuke's rinnegan, so their combined force will be on the level of the Sage of 6 paths, as they represent the 2 sons of the sage. But if that happens then Sasuke will be weaker than Naruto at the end of the war. However that gives us a chance of another timeskip: Sasuke leaving for a training and powerup, and Naruto not accepting the hokage title because he wants to wait until Sasuke returns. Kishimoto already gave a rather strong hint that Naruto is the new Sage, or rather the savior that the Sage was talking about: the tailed beasts acknowledged him as such after he tried to save them. And someone with that role shouldn't be employed by one specific ninja village, he should be above villages.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by GDB

This whole thing is starting to feel like FMA's ending, to be perfectly honest.

Is that a bad thing? (Do you mean the original or the "remake"?)

[mystogan]

Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n

Actually there is, if Naruto becomes much stronger than he is that might get in the way of the plot. According to the current plot they should soon compete for the hokage title and for that they should be around the same level. The other issue is that if they become like the younger and older sons of the Sage then they should be around the same power, representing the Yin and Yang duality, which requires a balance between the two forces.

if sasuke is given that other half of the kyuubi, it will make sasuke way too much powerful, let us not forget that apart from powers sasuke is also very smart and always have impressive tricks up his sleeve, he defeated itachi, danzo not just because of his powers but mainly because of his quick strategy and thinking. This is something that naruto lacks, naruto is way behind sasuke in these things.

and yes they are to compete for the hokage title so it's more the reason for naruto to have that power, because if sasuke gets the kyuubi power naruto will never be able to defeat him.

and there is also another way to look at it, Minato left the kyuubi to naruto believing in him that he can master it and be the savior, the Kyuubi in naruto is not just a tailed beast but also the belief of Minato in naruto, it would make more sense if the rest of the kyuubi half goes to naruto.

and personally i think there is no need to show yet another character in the kyuubi cloak, sasuke is best suited with susano and black flames.

[b10nutz]

Originally Posted by mystogan

if sasuke is given that other half of the kyuubi, it will make sasuke way too much powerful, let us not forget that apart from powers sasuke is also very smart and always have impressive tricks up his sleeve, he defeated itachi, danzo not just because of his powers but mainly because of his quick strategy and thinking. This is something that naruto lacks, naruto is way behind sasuke in these things.

I agree with this, Sasuke unlike Naruto did not defeat most of his foes just by brute force, he always analysis the enemy abilities not just attacking straightforward, that alone is a big advantage over Naruto.

Anyway I also think that Naruto should change his dream to be more like the Sage of 6 Paths, as he is the only one right now that fully understands Biju's desires and feelings and maybe he should make others understand that they are not only weapons to be use and discard. Also if my memories serve me right Naruto promise to Nagato he will bring peace to the Shinobi World so Sage path will be more appropriate than Hokage. Sasuke may become a great Hokage if he puts all his hatred away and is accepted by the village.

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by mystogan

i am think of something else, we saw naruto failed to execute a tailed beast bomb, which kinda gives the vibes that his power of nine tails in incomplete and then minato gives him the rest half and he is able to do a perfect tailed beast bomb then,

there would be no point adding it to sasuke, he already has got a lot in his arsenal

the point is that that is boring. naruto has the kyuubi already. so if he gets more kyuubi and more power that's very milk toast. if sasuke gets it, it's a twist on par with obito becoming the 10 tails jinchuuriki. just something very unexpected unlike naruto getting the full kyuubi which is way too obvious. but of course it could happen either way...

we've already been setup a few times lately for minato acknowledging sasuke. he's made a lot of mention of him so far and the yang portion of the kyuubi fits sasuke's personality more. plus it takes the kyuubi out of the race in terms of sasuke having a handicap when they fight. if naruto wins, nobody could say 'well he had the kyuubi' if they both have it

Originally Posted by james0246

Is that a bad thing? (Do you mean the original or the "remake"?)

brotherhood i'm sure. but i liked both series about equal so it's all good to me

Originally Posted by mystogan

if sasuke is given that other half of the kyuubi, it will make sasuke way too much powerful, let us not forget that apart from powers sasuke is also very smart and always have impressive tricks up his sleeve, he defeated itachi, danzo not just because of his powers but mainly because of his quick strategy and thinking. This is something that naruto lacks, naruto is way behind sasuke in these things.

not any more. naruto has shown a lot of intuition and problem solving since gaining sage mode. he was the one to figure out obito's intention, not sasuke. granted sasuke is smarter, but it's not nearly as huge a gap as it once was

and yes they are to compete for the hokage title so it's more the reason for naruto to have that power, because if sasuke gets the kyuubi power naruto will never be able to defeat him.

keep in mind that naruto has kurama's soul and thus kurama helps him which is a big difference. minato and sasuke don't/wouldn't have that power. also counting naruto out of anything is illogical if you've read the series.

and there is also another way to look at it, Minato left the kyuubi to naruto believing in him that he can master it and be the savior, the Kyuubi in naruto is not just a tailed beast but also the belief of Minato in naruto, it would make more sense if the rest of the kyuubi half goes to naruto.

not necessarily. if he believes in naruto, then he must also believe in sasuke, since naruto does

and personally i think there is no need to show yet another character in the kyuubi cloak, sasuke is best suited with susano and black flames.

well here we agree, but look at how many ninja have had mangekyou sharingan and rinnegan. kishi doesn't care about this type of repetition

[mystogan]

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

the point is that that is boring. naruto has the kyuubi already. so if he gets more kyuubi and more power that's very milk toast. if sasuke gets it, it's a twist on par with obito becoming the 10 tails jinchuuriki. just something very unexpected unlike naruto getting the full kyuubi which is way too obvious. but of course it could happen either way...

we've already been setup a few times lately for minato acknowledging sasuke. he's made a lot of mention of him so far and the yang portion of the kyuubi fits sasuke's personality more. plus it takes the kyuubi out of the race in terms of sasuke having a handicap when they fight. if naruto wins, nobody could say 'well he had the kyuubi' if they both have it

sasuke already has the sharingan(eternal mangekyu sharingan at that) and he seems to have mastered it at great extent, why to add more power to him, and if naruto wins no one will say that it was because of the Kyuubi, because he fought the entire war with the Kyuubi's chakra, the Kyuubi is not a replacable weapon of naruto it is a part of naruto, just like sharingan is the part of sasuke.

it might be boring to naruto get more of Kyuubi but it would be even more boring to see final Naruto vs Sasuke showdown and what we get is Kyuubi power vs Kyuubi power

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

not any more. naruto has shown a lot of intuition and problem solving since gaining sage mode. he was the one to figure out obito's intention, not sasuke. granted sasuke is smarter, but it's not nearly as huge a gap as it once was

keep in mind that naruto has kurama's soul and thus kurama helps him which is a big difference. minato and sasuke don't/wouldn't have that power. also counting naruto out of anything is illogical if you've read the series.

not saying he is as dumb when he was a kid, he has definately improved a lot, but so has sasuke, in all his battles sasuke has fought opponents who are more powerful than him, he also almost died more than once, but turned that around and won, through his cleverness and planning and i don't think we have seen naruto accomplish such a feat.

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

not necessarily. if he believes in naruto, then he must also believe in sasuke, since naruto does

why would he give power to the guy who will be against his own son sometime later, wouldn't he give the power to his own son instead.

and i am starting to think that, naruto will be able to fully transform into Kyuubi(like bee does) only after he gains the other half, as long as hasn't achieved that stage he really hasn't gotten one with the Kyuubi