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View Poll Results: Eden of the East - Episode 11 [END] Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 65 | 43.62% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 37 | 24.83% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 21 | 14.09% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 13 | 8.72% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 5.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.34% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.67% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.67% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.67% | |
Voters: 149. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-06-20, 16:23 | Link #121 |
At the end of this world
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Hungary, Europe
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Thanks for enlightening me about the Avenue.
Well, I couldn't distinguish other hungarians 20-30 meter away from me, despite that we/they also have some unique characteristics among other Europeans. Especially if I'd be just after a memory whipe. I mean let's imagine said scenario: *Erases his own memories* *notices girl across the street* "Oh, I don't even have a frickin clue who I am, but that girl is surely from the same country as I am! Even though I'm stark-naked, let's start a conversation with her by waving my revolver and ignoring the two cops between us!" There are just far too many circumstancial evidence suggesting Saki and Akira's meeting wasn't a coincidence at the White House IMHO. I tend to believe he knew something about her prior to his memorywhipe, and she is the reason he was in the US.
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2009-06-20, 16:41 | Link #122 |
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I think that all the concern we've seen in these threads about biblical accuracies and the fine points of Christian theology is totally up the stump, if you know what I mean.
I believe that these Japanese guys have about as much knowledge about Christianity and the Bible as I do about Shinto and it's ancient texts. In my experience, they like to use biblical mythology and especially its symbols, but they have no clue what it's about. See Chrno Crusade with the intrepid nuns battling the demons. (I can't believe Rosette died at the end! I still cry everytime I think about it... <sob>... ) I do like the Overman analogy. Again, I have my doubts about Japanese knowledge of Neitzsche, but you never know. In any case, IX certainly does represent the model of the Overman (and Zarathustra). It's a shame he has to achieve his freedom from ressentiment by wiping his memory.
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2009-06-20, 18:43 | Link #124 |
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: The land of tempura
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Ok Ok hold on just a minute! Did they mention "The Patriots System"?!?!? WTF!?!? Is this some sort of Metal Gear Solid anime and I wasn't aware of it? Is it a coincidence? A nod to Hideo Kojima's work?
All I know is that I stood flabbergasted at the screen when I saw *la-le-li-lo-lu* written on the subs, preety weird stuff...
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2009-06-20, 20:08 | Link #126 | ||
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The Patriot System is likely referring to the Patriot missle defense system, who's function is to shoot down ICBMs with rapid targetting missles.
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2009-06-20, 20:48 | Link #127 | |
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2009-06-20, 23:34 | Link #131 | |
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What I was referring to as ressentiment and what I recall Nietzsche meaning was the myths and morality created by the slaves in the master-slave relationship whereby it's really good to be a slave and the slaves are morally superior to the master. According to Nietzsche, this is the genealogy of morals. Wikipedia seems to contradict itself on this point: "Ressentiment is a sense of resentment...ressentiment is not to be considered interchangeable with the normal English word resentment... ...speaks to the special relationship between a sense of inferiority and the creation of morality" I guess this is another illustration of how much we should depend on Wikipedia. The mindwipe certainly gives him freedom from his past baggage, which I guess is why he did it again. That approach rubs me the wrong way. Experiences can confuse us, but in the end we're better off integrating all our experiences into a new and better understanding. You can't just forget about stuff you don't want to remember! Although people do it all the time. p.s. Nietzsche is my favorite philosopher and I have all his stuff (including Kaufmann)! Unfortunately I have to move again and haul all that crap around once more.
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2009-06-21, 00:47 | Link #132 |
do you know ベアトリーチェ様?
Join Date: Dec 2003
Age: 35
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I don't think he wants to know that he made himself a king. That knowledge kind of makes him less "genuine", which is probably also why he needed to rid himself of his phone (i.e., the evidence of making himself king).
Personally, I'm curious what strings will be pulled to establish this new monarchy. EDIT: Oh hey, I just noticed that the song at the end is playing on the radio at the beginning of the first ep. Last edited by k//eternal; 2009-06-21 at 00:58. |
2009-06-21, 00:59 | Link #133 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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I see AIM-120 Slammers or AAM-4 (they're twins) mounted. The missile I see fired is the new AAM-5 short-range missile. My father used to tip over V-1s using the wing of his Spitfire! FANATICS!
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2009-06-21, 01:01 | Link #134 | |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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In contrast to the Master Morality who exemplifies their status as the ideal aim of man to reach. Here we see the results of having a dual nature of Morality: one moral direction creates an opposing moral direction. You end up with two conflicting moral compasses because not everyone can lay claim to belong in the same side of the spectrum. This is paralleled by the opposition between Mononobe and Akira. If I had to make a really loose comparison, Mononobe somehow signifies the Master Morality that attempts to exert his powerful if violent will on the masses because he thinks it is the right thing to do. In contrast Akira could be the Slave Morality, standing with the weaker humans who think they have no say in the upheavals to come and trying to break down the oppression of the more powerful classes. Edit - Might as well add that Nietzsche never really sided with either moral stances anyway. Even while the concept of the Overman is related more closely to Master Morality, he in his writings has leaned in sympathy for the Slave Moralities as well.
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2009-06-21, 02:17 | Link #135 |
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So many parts of this finale made me feel like I was watching Gundam 00 without the mecha with a different goal and a smaller scope:
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Intriguing finale overall. Now the race is on to see which movie will come out first. |
2009-06-21, 02:26 | Link #136 |
I like guavas.
Join Date: May 2009
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I voted perfect -- this show can do no wrong and I'm happy to know about the two movies!
Although ep. 11 did not feel rushed, but at the same time, Saki's explanation in the taxi cab to the rest of the crew could have been two episodes (there was so much info), peppered with slice of life and romantic moments. So, yeah, basically, I just want more, heh! Although, I don't know if I buy the reason given for him erasing his memories. He couldn't stand the hatred? IDK, that seems like an overly emotional and rash decision to me, and it seems like a decision the present Taki would not make now. I'm not saying that Takizawa isn't an emotional dude, but it was an emotional decision for such a clever and innovative guy. Maybe it's just cause he wanted to run away, or maybe he wasn't the person he is now ever since he erased his memories and met Saki. |
2009-06-21, 03:09 | Link #137 | |
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2009-06-21, 04:22 | Link #138 | ||
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I miss the times of your father with Spitfires killing V-1s! Those were the times and have heard some stories of Polish people about this. You should know that Poland did have some of these under their hands to fight the Nazis. MAN THOSE WERE THE REAL TIMES! Now it is all shitty electronics! Yeah but the bad guy in the end would have to be #1, which we still do not know who it is. Maybe the president himself of the country??? Like MGS4 and YOU ARE IN LUCK.....I played all three of them! |
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2009-06-21, 05:46 | Link #139 |
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That was an impressive episode; a bit inconclusive, yes, but that's to be expected anyway, regardless we did get vital developments, namely in Akira's resolve, as well as the reason why the NEETs were shipped away and the outcome of their cooperation. The wait for the movies is sooooo going to be torture! >_>
As for the characters, Akira and Saki mainly, I was actually quite pleasantly surprised with the development they got (not a lot, but enough for the current arc), considering the kind of show this is. I noticed a lot of nuance with them, implicit characterization that focuses more on the character's thoughts, looks and actions. Teaches me not to doubt Kamiyama anymore. Heh. |
2009-06-21, 10:40 | Link #140 | |
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(Note that I don't side with him). I don't know where you want to get with this though.
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