THE DARK KNIGHT (2008) Joker Revealed!

[Marina]

Originally Posted by Pop-Punk Sucks

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I thought of that too, but in the end I remembered what Nolan had said, that he didn't think of his movies in terms of trilogies or sequels, but simply in making the best movie he could. Now, Two-Face in this movie didn't have enough going for him to hold another movie. He wasn't super-powered, he wasn't particularly strong or a very skilled fighter, he wasn't a criminal mastermind like the Joker was. He was just one crazy guy with hostages. The true significance of Two-Face as a villain in this movie was the tragedy of Gotham's white knight losing it all and falling so low, not that he was a particularly big threat.

I'm trying to look at this movie as a real drama, and not a superhero movie, and when you look at it this way it works out much better with Two-Face dying here. Of course, I can perfectly understand looking at this as a superhero movie, since that's what it is supposed to be.

Spoiler:

Am I the only one who saw Two-Face coming a mile away as soon as I saw the double-sided coin? Granted, I was pretty sure Two-Face would be in this film because of Harvey Dent, but at first I thought, "You never know." but with the coin, he was straight up predictable.

Best Joker quote: "I'm no monster...I'm just ahead of the curve."

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Well, I also noticed immediately when he started flipping the coin at the very beginning.

And...I do not believe Harvey Dent died. I was having that discussion the other day with some friends and the consensus was that Harvey Dent is still alive at the end. The memorial service at the end is just hiding the fact of what he has become to the public.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by Rurik

I really never got why People rank so high Spider Man 2, And I’m a hard core spidie fan, and there are a lot of problems going on with the Sam Raimi take on Peter Parker/Spider Man. specifically in part 2 and 3.

Chris Nolan turned Batman into a larger-than-life icon. Sam Raimi made Spiderman an ordinary person with everyday problems, just like any one of us.

That's what makes Spiderman 2 one of the best superhero movies to date, in my opinion.

[bbduece]

Originally Posted by Marina

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Well, I also noticed immediately when he started flipping the coin at the very beginning.

And...I do not believe Harvey Dent died. I was having that discussion the other day with some friends and the consensus was that Harvey Dent is still alive at the end. The memorial service at the end is just hiding the fact of what he has become to the public.

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I got the idea that Batman told Gordon to frame him as Harvey's killer so th public would never know that Dent died because he was some psycho.

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Hence the reason why Batman was running at the end. Maybe i'm missing something?

I would love to see Talia al Ghul or Catwomen (hopefully Angelina Jolie, her personality is crazy enough to flesh out a catwomen persona) in the next film

[mcruz1014]

Originally Posted by bbduece

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I got the idea that Batman told Gordon to frame him as Harvey's killer so th[e] public would never know that Dent died because he was some psycho.

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Hence the reason why Batman was running at the end. Maybe i'm missing something?

Spoiler for theories on the end:

That is a possibility, although we do know that GCPD has orders to "aprehend the vigilante known as Batman on sight"... so that would leave open the possibility that Dent's body was never seen by the cops chasing Batman, and that Dent's body may have been moved by Gordon, in order to cover up what had happened to him.

Personally, I've always hated Catwoman... and I don't think Jolie is as good an actress as she is given credit for. (Yes, I know, I'm hating, flame me, idc). As far as villains I think could be in a sequel, I really do think that the Joker and Two-face have always been Batman's most interesting foes, from a live-action movie standpoint of what can be realistically, tastefully, and believably done. The Riddler and Penguin seem to be pretty popular choices, and I do agree that they would make interesting live-action foils for Batman in Nolan's universe, but to be honest, every other one of Batman's rogues seem to be a big step down from the Joker.

[bbduece]

Originally Posted by mcruz1014

Spoiler for theories on the end:

That is a possibility, although we do know that GCPD has orders to "aprehend the vigilante known as Batman on sight"... so that would leave open the possibility that Dent's body was never seen by the cops chasing Batman, and that Dent's body may have been moved by Gordon, in order to cover up what had happened to him.

Personally, I've always hated Catwoman... and I don't think Jolie is as good an actress as she is given credit for. (Yes, I know, I'm hating, flame me, idc). As far as villains I think could be in a sequel, I really do think that the Joker and Two-face have always been Batman's most interesting foes, from a live-action movie standpoint of what can be realistically, tastefully, and believably done. The Riddler and Penguin seem to be pretty popular choices, and I do agree that they would make interesting live-action foils for Batman in Nolan's universe, but to be honest, every other one of Batman's rogues seem to be a big step down from the Joker.

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Ending scene look like a funeral so i'm assuming people acknowledge his death and have seen the body.
But what you are saying can also be the case where Gordon could have lied to everyone.

The Joker is Batman's greatest foe. (two sides of the same coin).

All his other enemies are just 2nd tier compare to the Joker

[Samari]

Originally Posted by mcruz1014

Personally, I've always hated Catwoman... and I don't think Jolie is as good an actress as she is given credit for. (Yes, I know, I'm hating, flame me, idc). As far as villains I think could be in a sequel, I really do think that the Joker and Two-face have always been Batman's most interesting foes, from a live-action movie standpoint of what can be realistically, tastefully, and believably done. The Riddler and Penguin seem to be pretty popular choices, and I do agree that they would make interesting live-action foils for Batman in Nolan's universe, but to be honest, every other one of Batman's rogues seem to be a big step down from the Joker.

For Nolan's version of Batman, which seems to really focus on the aspect of Batman and his crime-solving abilities instead of just "pure action", I agree that most of Batman's other notable enemies seem kind of "meh". The Joker and Two Face are really dynamic and flexible characters. I think it allows more creativity.

Catwoman I thought had an interesting story as a villain. And I think Michelle Phifer did a good job in Batman Returns portraying her. However, that was a different kind of "Batman". I'm not sure if her character would work for a sequel. But then again, Scarecrow worked. Perhaps Nolan and Goyer could make it happen.

The character I think would really work well is The Riddler. Especially in the aspect of "crime solving". I'd be interested to see a more "serious" version of the character as opposed to the one Jim Carrey portrayed in Batman Forever. Or rather, one that fits the tone of the movie. Apparently Kate Beckinsale and Christine Ricci has expressed interest if the character ever became available.

[Phantom-Takaya]

Originally Posted by bluejazz87

For Nolan's version of Batman, which seems to really focus on the aspect of Batman and his crime-solving abilities instead of just "pure action", I agree that most of Batman's other notable enemies seem kind of "meh". The Joker and Two Face are really dynamic and flexible characters. I think it allows more creativity.

Catwoman I thought had an interesting story as a villain. And I think Michelle Phifer did a good job in Batman Returns portraying her. However, that was a different kind of "Batman". I'm not sure if her character would work for a sequel. But then again, Scarecrow worked. Perhaps Nolan and Goyer could make it happen.

The character I think would really work well is The Riddler. Especially in the aspect of "crime solving". I'd be interested to see a more "serious" version of the character as opposed to the one Jim Carrey portrayed in Batman Forever. Or rather, one that fits the tone of the movie. Apparently Kate Beckinsale and Christine Ricci has expressed interest if the character ever became available.

Wait... Kate Beckinsdale and Christina Ricci expressed interest in playing the Riddler? Or do you mean Catwoman? Because making the Riddler female is completely from left field...

[Vexx]

It wouldn't be canon... but a morph of catwoman and the riddler could be very interesting.

However, I like Catwoman (chaotic neutral on a mission) and I like the Riddler (ginormous IQ, obsessive-compulsive "lawful" evil)

[oompa loompa]

I actually think that jim carrey could play the riddler very well again, of course a 'new' riddler. Im not sure why, but I think he fits the role really well.

[mcruz1014]

The more I think about it, the more I see how the Riddler could be well done in the new series of films. It seems like he would be the kind of villain that would believably find a way to pit the people of Gotham against Batman, something that is in keeping with Nolan's new direction after the end of The Dark Knight.

[Rurik]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

Chris Nolan turned Batman into a larger-than-life icon. Sam Raimi made Spiderman an ordinary person with everyday problems, just like any one of us.

That's what makes Spiderman 2 one of the best superhero movies to date, in my opinion.

Huh? Two things:

A) Neither Nolan or Raimi made their respective character what you mentioned, Bat-Man has been a larger than life Icon for long time now, whereas Spider-Man was conceived by Stan Lee, as a Young teenager with everyday problems. In fact, Nolan’s Bat-Man is more down to earth than The DC universe version (Bat-Man right now has a back up plan to defeat every superheroe in the DC universe just in case they go rogue– I doubt Nolan’s Bat-Man has that reach.)

B) What does one Character of the movie has to do if the movie good enough to be ranked so high? Besides that you are talking about a single movie, based on what you said, then the 3 spider man should be ranked high given we are dealing with the same character having different problems in each movie.


Its OK to have Spider-Man 2 as one of the best, that is personal Opinion, I just never understood why people find it better than the first one (or for that matter better than Iron Man and Bat-Man Begins)

[Papaya]

Originally Posted by mcruz1014

The more I think about it, the more I see how the Riddler could be well done in the new series of films. It seems like he would be the kind of villain that would believably find a way to pit the people of Gotham against Batman, something that is in keeping with Nolan's new direction after the end of The Dark Knight.

The reminds me of the Phantasm.
I guess there really is no chance of Nolan bringing her into the series.

[ApostleOfGod]

I want to rewatch this movie. But I don't want to make the trip, and I don't want to spend another 10 bux... And it's a pretty long movie to rewatch, but it's worth it...

What should I do?

[monir]

Originally Posted by ApostleOfGod

I want to rewatch this movie. But I don't want to make the trip, and I don't want to spend another 10 bux... And it's a pretty long movie to rewatch, but it's worth it...

What should I do?

hmmm.. Sounds like money is the primary problem. My suggestion would be to panhandle near the traffic lights of a busy intersection when the cars are waiting at the red light, or apply for a job to the nearby theater that is playing the movie. The 2nd approach solves both your financial problem, and the duration challenge this movie throws at its viewer. Time flies when one is checking tickets at the gate or selling buttery popcorn to fat people. Compared to that repetitive and never ending exercise, two and a half hours of crazy joker wouldn't feel too long.

Good movie, by the way!

[ApostleOfGod]

-_-

Fine I'll go... I think.



On second thought, nvm.

[Vexx]

its either that or cosplay as the Joker in front of your mirror for two hours...

[ApostleOfGod]

**gets mother's cosmetics kit**


Now I just need bombs, good places to blow up, a sadistic twisted yet attractive laugh, and henchmen.


I'm going to rewatch it.

[Papaya]

What do you guys think about Bane as a villain? Not the horrible Joel Schumacher version of course, but the original version.

Obviously they'd have to tone his weirdness down significantly, and maybe even (gasp) remove the mask, but I think someone like him could work.

[Zu Ra]

I still prefer the old joker Jack FTW !!! to add some thoughts to Rurik's post

People forgetBatman's alter ego is Bruce Wayne while Peter Parker alter Ego is Spider man . Batman will never face real life problems as Bruce Wayne is just a facade for society

@Papaya Bane series was the best Batman like ever IMO. I would really cry tears of joy if the Knightfall series is adopted for the next movie or any sequel . Azarel fanboy inside of me never died it just went on to grow up : )

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Papaya

What do you guys think about Bane as a villain? Not the horrible Joel Schumacher version of course, but the original version.

Obviously they'd have to tone his weirdness down significantly, and maybe even (gasp) remove the mask, but I think someone like him could work.

It might be interesting to see a villian that uses Steroids, or something similiar, to increase his fighting abilities, etc (not to mention that Bane was fairly intelligent). The only really interesting story that Bane has, though, involved Bane breaking Batman's back (and consequently the Batman Cape & Cowl was passed to another for a time)...and I doubt Nolan will choose this route.

Then again, Bane is the only person, other than Batman, to be chosen as an "heir" by Ra's al Ghul. So, that might be a way of tying Bane into the Nolan universe.