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2013-02-21, 17:53 | Link #82 |
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Mind explaining to me how I wronged you so badly that I deserved that? Seriously, it's insulting on so many levels.
Or did you actually just run out of good arguments so you've resorted to insults out of frustration? Or maybe you're hoping insulting me proves your point better? |
2013-02-21, 19:00 | Link #83 | |
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But of course these things really are not consistent, it's always as the plot requires, so for example Gaara didn't lose his power to control huge quantities of sand despite he lost Shukaku. Then there's the strange thing that Naruto is not like the other tailed beast hosts, he doesn't transform into the kyuubi or anything like that, he's special, he even has the necklace of the sage of 6 paths when he uses the kyuubi's chakra. So Kishimoto could come up with something that explains that it's not that Naruto has huge amounts of chakra but it's about him having a very special chakra that others don't have. |
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2013-02-21, 19:02 | Link #84 | ||
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By "shinobi god", Ill assume you mean the next sage/prophesied one. Well, in my opinion legendary characters being this powerful doesn't ruin Naruto reaching that level. For one, they're both dead. Secondly, at his current level, he is practically already a god among the living considering what he's been doing, and has accomplished in the war, not to mention his young age and the fact that he's only using half of the kyuubi chakra. We already know he'll get stronger considering all the hints given. He's arguably made more of an impact on the war than the entire alliance; I'm just amazed that anyone can still be unsatisfied just because of these two characters. The entire war arc turned out to be a huge Naruto fanservice/powerup fest. Its not like this is Sasuke, or any of his peers, this is Hashirama and Madara; they've been praised since the beginning of the manga, so I disagree, I simply don't find their abilities or level of power to be an issue. Quote:
http://youtu.be/Rdof-S7iUX4?t=18s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nvdh0FMzr0 Im kind of suprised you took it so seriously, even as an insult it sounds pretty old and outdated lol Last edited by Artful Dodger; 2013-02-21 at 19:47. |
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2013-02-21, 19:23 | Link #86 | |
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i do totally agree that sarutobi was the real deal as far as a pure ninja goes. i actually like that better than all these powerups. i dont hate the powerups, but i prefered the series up until hidan, susano'o and pain when the 'realism' of these ninjas went out the window. not that it was ever real, but it felt more 'real' in the world kishi created than these new god-level powers. i prefer characters like hiruzen and kakashi as far as abilities go the only reason i was talking about the generational foul up was because of the relevance to hashirama who is in the spot light right now. it has been broken for a long time, but seeing hashirama's god-level power just brings it all back to me |
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2013-02-21, 20:32 | Link #89 | |
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Anyway its pretty clear that the author decided to change a few things around throughout all these years. Naruto's now prestigeous lineage and origin for example was likely a newly added plot device, otherwise I don't see why the village didn't treat the 4th Hokage's son as royalty, with all things considered. By extension, he wouldn't be considered much of an underdog, and would likely have a very different relationship with team 7 and the rest of his peers. |
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2013-02-21, 20:54 | Link #90 | |
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2013-02-21, 20:59 | Link #91 |
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Since there was no ninja academy or villages for that matter, I am curious to know how the clans lived. I imagine hashirama lived a monastery type life like the avatar; trained daily in the special art of yin yang chakra. Perhaps he is a sage but maybe his clan has a very close relationship with a deity of some sort. I don't know much about it but there seems to be quite the influence of Shinto in the manga...
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2013-02-21, 22:34 | Link #92 | |
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There were far too many things right off that pointed to this as a fact. 1) The 4th was called a great ninja, and the position of Hokage was made out to be a great man as well. Such a person wouldn't likely take some random child and curse him by sealing a demon inside. Therefore, it only went to follow that Naruto HAD to be the child of the 4th. The story behind it wasn't clear, but that part was. 2) The similarity in appearance between Naruto and the 4th was a bit too uncanny. Sure, Deva Pain (Yahiko) is a dead ringer for Naruto, but that was probably done to make people believe the 4th might somehow still be alive. Seriously, there were rumors for years that Pain was Naruto's father. 3) No one in the village knew who Naruto's parents were (except the Sannin, the 4rd, and maybe the council). No one even mentions his possible family. That means someone covered up his family history. But why? It can't be his last name. He's an Uzumaki, and apparently half the world knows they're a prestigious clan. If they wanted to hide that part of his lineage, he'd have a different clan name. No, they wanted to hide that the 4th Hokage was his father. Points 1 and 2, led me to believe it as early as chapter 1, but I was certain by the Chuunin exams when his parentage STILL hadn't been brought up. I'm also fairly sure that I'm not the only one who thought that from the start either. The Uzumaki thing, them being so prestigious, That I never would have expected, and that seems to be a bit of a retcon to me. On the other hand, Naruto still has no real clue about how prestigious his heritage is. Sure, he's aware that the 4th was his old man, but he still doesn't get that the Uzumaki are special.
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2013-02-21, 22:42 | Link #93 |
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The way I understood it, the original seal system that kept Kurama locked allowed tiny portions of his chakra to seep into Naruto's own reservoir, even when he wasn't drawing upon it, thus slowly expanding his supply.
Then it was revealed that the chakra that Kurama has is downright poisonous to anyone who doesn't have the body of a physical god and the potent chakra to filter it for use. That's when it was revealed that the Uzumaki are distant relatives to the Senju who themselves are descended of the Sage's Son with the strongest body. Naruto being able to withstand 4, 6 and even an 8-tailed transformation with little consequence is proof of that. It is even further driven home by Kushina, who not only lived (for a while at least) after Kurama was extracted but was also capable of casting a potent restraining jutsu afterwards. The way I see it, this was kind of like taking a half-full bucket of water and sealing it into an airtight, impregnable safe, with only a small hose that periodically allowed for droplets of water to fall into the bucket inside from a nearby ocean. It wasn't much, but over time that bucket began to overflow and is currently filling the safe to the brim.
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^naruto was the ultimate underdog for a while. sure, the kyuubi was in him, but its use during the haku and zabuza arc wasn't naruto, it was the kyuubi taking him over like an evil spirit possessing a young child. and from then on it was a demon we saw in his mind who was always threatening him. naruto was always being put down by everyone around him, even the kyuubi. he had no friends and was always thought to be a loser who wouldn't win in any of his fights like vs kiba and neji. only after he beat gaara did the village start to treat him as more of a comrade and his underdogness vanished rather quickly into feats of kage-level strength
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So you're saying that Naruto in sage mode without the Kyuubi will get to be just as strong as flashback Hashirama? Now do you see my point. It's lame that these dead guys are this powerful, it really wasn't necessary. |
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Hashirama without Sage Mode and Mokuton is probably stronger than Naruto without Sage Mode and the Kyuubi, yes. But considering the difference in age, it's not odd. So basically, you need to wait till all is said and done to make complaints about relative power, since Naruto isn't as experienced as Hashirama yet nor do we know how strong he is going to become. Quote:
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That Senju jutsu that the 1st used at the end of the chapter looked like a super up version of Asuma's Thousand armed murder in the anime. I wonder if Kishi saw that filler and said: yeah I like that, I'm gonna take that.
Still "thousand armed" seems to be more a Senju (literally thousand arms) thing than a Saritobi one. |
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