2010-07-20, 07:48 | Link #2221 | ||
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Personally, I can get into the second. It's not like she's the first Nasuverse character to survive something she has no business surviving. And having the willpower to survive such an impossible situation would certainly qualify as a strong enough 'wish to live' to draw Avenger to her in the first place. Alternately: I was under the impression that Caren Ortensia found Bazett after she'd already been sustained by Avenger for several months, but maybe I misunderstood and Caren found her almost immediately and began nursing her back to health? I mean, I am basing all this on what I read in a wiki, and that's not the most reliable source. Still, I prefer the thought of one-armed Bazett clinging to life long after anyone else would have died. It's more badass that way. Quote:
The big example would be 'Melty Blood', that Tsukihime fighting game; it's considered canon, with it's own plot that follows off the ending of Tsukihime/Kagetsu Tohya, but several of the people involved have character changes that only make sense if Shiki somehow did several routes in succession and got good endings for all of them. So the 'official' explanation is that it follows a route that wasn't available in the original Tsukihime VN. With HA it doesn't really matter, because it's all illusionary or whatnot, but if they ever made 'Fate/Stay Night 2', I really wouldn't be surprised to find that Rin, Sakura, Saber, Rider, and Illya are all alive and living in Japan with Shirou. Somehow. Last edited by Moczo; 2010-07-20 at 08:37. |
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I suppose one option would be a 'HF Good' end, where Saber is somehow saved (and contracted to Sakura) and Ilya managed to somehow save Shirou and Archer without dying herself (because Sakura could contract Rider and Saber, and Rin could contract Archer), but that would not be popular amongst the fandom (especially in Japan) because it would imply Shirou x Sakura was 'more' canon, and a lot of fans would not like it one bit (incidentally, it seems like Nasu is a closet Sakura x Shirou shipper, but he keeps it quiet because of how unpopular Sakura is in Japan). |
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2010-07-20, 09:39 | Link #2223 | ||
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Magic? Maybe HA has a better explanation that we'll get to see once it's finally translated. Quote:
It couldn't follow HF too closely (it would be essential that Shirou not lose his arm, at least, so as to allow more Rule Breaker abuse... or would Rulebreaker even reverse Dark Saber? I'd like to think that if it would, Shirou might have tried using it in actual HF, but maybe he just couldn't waste the projection with so few shots left), but would have to follow it enough that the issues with Zouken and Angra Mainyu became known and dealt with. I could take a page from the anime and have Caster's screwing around help out, bringing up her original plan to 'force' the Grail to appear with brute force and soul stealing, allowing Sakura's corruption to happen with fewer Servant absorptions. A Zouken/Caster alliance? God, there's a match made in Hell if ever there was one. ... Dammit! I have enough on my plate already, but I have to at least take a shot at this! It might not ever get further than an outline, but... |
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2010-07-20, 10:02 | Link #2224 |
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An easier way for everyone to live seems to be just following UBW-Good, and having it so Ilya remained the grail rather than Shinji being forced to become it. Doesn't directly solve the Sakura/Zouken problem, but wouldn't be too hard to use that as part of the sequel's story.
Keeping the Servants other than Saber around would be tough, but just use the Sakura/Zouken situation to create a new grail. It's not like the grail was unique from my understanding, so they could theoretically create another one given enough time and knowledge. I'd assume Zouken would have that knowledge. They could also attempt to deal with Ilya and find a way to keep her around. |
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But there is no way of doing a solid sequel, that's why they came up with HA's wacky story and everything. The only way they could do a sequel is to sequel each route's endings, which would prove most difficult.
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2010-07-20, 11:49 | Link #2226 | |
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Gameplay and Story Integration for the win! Other unlucky folks include Archer, True Assassin, and for some reason Rider's luck drops down to rank E when she switches out Shinji and draws on Sakura as her Master. Her others stats go up, so I wonder why that is? |
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Plus, I doubt they would want to make any pairing canon, which is what following UBW Good would do (of course, following HF would so the same, so...). |
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2010-07-20, 13:33 | Link #2228 |
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Say, why did they name it "Heaven's Feel" if that's the name of the dress Illya wore? I think I remember them saying it was the name of the Third Sorcery that saved Shirou, is that right? Cause I thought it was titled after Sakura, since she ( I'm already laughing) made Shirou feel like he was in Heaven and her herself feels like Heaven.
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2010-07-20, 13:38 | Link #2229 |
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Heaven's Feel is the name of the ritual that is the Holy Grail War, and since HF covers the backstory and true motivations behind said war in the most detail, it was named after it.
Although I could easily buy your explanation.... |
2010-07-20, 16:56 | Link #2231 | |
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Though villains aren't hard to team up. I just have to think of some way that each could conceivably think of to use the other's activities to their advantage before stabbing them in the back. They don't have to like each other, just be convinced they're using and will eventually dispose of each other. |
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2010-07-20, 17:17 | Link #2232 |
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Well, to answer your questions Rule Breaker wouldn't work on Saber Alter, at least canonically. Rule Breaker severs connections, not outright nullifies magic. Saber Alter has the very core of her soul corrupted by AM and the Grail's power. She still resists it somehow but eventually she would fall completely to it and there's no canonically stated way to reverse it(other than pulling her ahoge in Hollow Atartaxia...well, it was played for laughs only). To solve Saber's problem the most canon-true method would be Gilgamesh. He's the Doraemon of the Nasuverse who can pull out about any kind of magic item. Also it could be ironic and the sole good deed of Gil. Perhaps orchestrating a situation where Gilgamesh would do it and without obliterating everyone else to keep Saber is a quite tricky...the very least.
Other than that it's been theorized that Rule Breaker can only work on Dark Sakura after she reached that stage where her connection to AM is obvious(perma-Dark Sakura). It's just a theory but might be true. Anyways, if we keep everyone in-character and same with the canon Sakura would only turn dark under extreme emotional stress which surely involves Shirou and him showing feelings to her. Other alternative is her sister warming up to Sakura, but that would be obviously out of character to Rin. And otherwise there's little to no chance of finding out Sakura's situation. All in all getting a real good ending is as close to impossible if we want Illya, Sakura and Saber alive. |
2010-07-20, 17:21 | Link #2233 | |
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Gilgamesh the reluctant hero! Oh my... and then... oh, I have scenes in mind. And honestly, the comedy value in a Shirou/Gilgamesh team-up is wonderful too, however it happens. |
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2010-07-20, 17:32 | Link #2235 |
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I'm already looking into it. I'm sure there's some mythological sword that was used for exorcisms or some garbage like that. Remember, this is still the Nasuverse... all rules exist only so they can later be broken when someone shows off how incredible they are, and Handwaves are a way of life!
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One option is to not make Saber dark. As in, she never get's captured by the shadow. Rider would come in time to save both Shirou & Saber.
And I think I have come to terms with HF now, so I am adjusting my sig & av accordingly.
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