2014-02-04, 19:10 | Link #601 | |
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Again, mostly, I think it's just a matter of setting aside preconceptions, and trying to relate to what the characters are feeling. The conflict between "what the world tells me is right" and "what I actually feel deep down" is often a central element of these stories in the first place.
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2014-02-06, 15:01 | Link #602 |
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Because it would be easier to start a relationship with someone you know, than to go out and meet some random person as an otaku.
I think it has to do with the social makeup of japan atm. With the population decreasing because most women are focused on careers and the men are obsessed by 2D fantasy women.
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2014-02-06, 17:00 | Link #603 | ||
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I suppose when you send out a message no matter what, someone gets the point eventually. In essence, in some context, a message (the story) always becomes successful. A lot of people think a message that reaches a broader group is the more successful one, but that's certainly debatable-- there's certainly the strength of reception that matters as well. Whether it's good to reach out to a lot of people, or to reach out to some people in a stronger fashion being a better approach is certainly up for debate.
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2014-02-06, 22:13 | Link #604 | |
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This, incidentally, is why I encourage people to not remove themselves from the equation when discussing their experiences watching anime. When talking about anime, unless it's just a dry regurgitation of facts, you're always talking as much about yourself as you are about the show in question, whether you admit it or not. Sometimes the biggest "flaw" in a work may not be anything the writer did or didn't do properly, but rather an "it's not you, it's me" issue. These often get completely discounted in favour of placing the entire blame at the feet of the author, as if communicating to every single person from every culture and walk of life was their sworn responsibility as a communicator, and by not reaching to me, it proves they've failed their "mission". It seems to me that this is way too conceited and self-centered. What's more interesting, at least in my view, is in understanding why something doesn't work for you and what are the factors that influence it. If you understand that, you may have a better chance of finding other works that speak to you, and avoiding those that don't. Given that we're talking largely about entertainment, I think that's an important goal. (So all this to say, if people already know that this theme doesn't work for them for whatever reason, it would absolutely make sense to avoid it, and that isn't a negative reflection on them or anyone else.)
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2014-02-06, 23:44 | Link #605 |
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I don't think of them as mutually exclusive at all. What I see is the inclusion of irrelevant sexual material purely as titillation to attract an audience. Inserting something like incest into a story where it is unnecessary is not good storytelling as much as good marketing.
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2014-02-07, 02:52 | Link #606 |
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Was there any case where incest was unnecessary in a story?
And is Fushimi's latest work, Eromanga-Sensei, something that could have worked without incest? Honestly, I find it disappointing when authors use incest in light novels as a gimmick.
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2014-02-07, 14:10 | Link #609 |
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Well, I also think that people are using the term "incest" incredibly broadly. In anime-community-speak it seems to mean "any actual or implied romantic feelings between relatives, whether blood-related or not". Like, Eromanga-sensei has two people who become siblings through their parents' recent remarriage; asking if it's "something that could have worked without incest" is a pretty sweeping statement in its own way.
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2014-02-09, 22:28 | Link #611 | |
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Spoiler for OreImo s2/novel ending, plus comparison to Yosuga no Sora:
And, well, I thought you were the one bringing it up...
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2014-02-20, 23:11 | Link #613 |
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Wow this discussion being going for ten years O_O. Well anyways I believe is mainly to keep family heritage. Not sure if anyone is a religious or darwinian, but how did you think they reproduce during the early stages. People just didn't pop out(at least in the three main religion) like I said again. I'm just stating my opinion no need to get all offended now.
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2014-02-21, 01:12 | Link #614 |
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My personal theory revolves around Japan being the mecca for childhood friend romance, combined with them not being icked about first cousin marriages. So as a writer, how do you do better than 'someone you've known all you're life' and 'someone related to you via your parent's siblings'? How about 'someone you've been with even before you can remember' and 'somone related to you via your parents'? In other words, your sibling.
(And in all honesty, the way the two are usually portrayed in anime are very similar. Greatest example of this is NakaImo, where the very question the series raises is, how do you differentiate between your childhood friend and your blood related sister apart from a DNA test?) Well, that, and the fact that their most popular myths are laden with incest. With Izanagi/Izanami, Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi, and even the imperial Japanese family thought to be descended from good ol' Ammy herself... so in the realm of fiction, why not I guess? XD Tell me about it. I've got a post here that's like 8 years old lol. I mean, holy crap, what the heck was I watching all those years ago? XD
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2014-03-27, 01:49 | Link #615 | |
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I'm going with the same explanation. Generally speaking, Japan has a more romantic grasp of incestuous romances than most cultures. Their myths and histories are full of such couples, and some of the stories are pretty touching when viewed in the right perspective. |
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2014-03-27, 04:07 | Link #617 |
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Yea, i't s a VERY common theme across lore in most cultures, though more taboo in some more than others. That's honestly pretty myopic and insulting to think this is specialized to Japan-- first cousin marriage is still a long ways apart from sibling romance. And it's largely a United States thing to prohibit it, because well... it's the US.
It would be like me saying the Southern part of the US is more open to incest.
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2014-04-27, 21:22 | Link #619 |
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See I am fine with cousins marrying each other, I understand from that perspective. And it seems less "dirty" I guess in my POV.
But what I cannot stand incest wise when it comes to family members is brother and sister or brother and brother. That just makes me uncomfortable. I have a younger brother and there is nothing about him that makes me want to get with my brother. You're not suppose to love your brother, its not a cultural thing its a sibling thing. I am his guardian and his protector. I am there for him when he needs it, but I am not his lover nor interested in being his lover. So those anime characters who love their siblings and have relationships with them are gross, imo. It makes me feel so uncomfortable, especially when my younger brother and I are watching anime that we watch thinking it will be normal and ends in incest.
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2014-04-27, 21:27 | Link #620 |
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I feel that brother-sister love is a route authors make when they can't or are unable to develop a love story between strangers. The relationship between siblings can be more easily developed into romance because they have a "default value" of familiarity and love compared to two people that had just met. Add some values here and there and you get lovers!
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