2011-01-15, 17:15 | Link #281 | |
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Loli in the box has been taken to a more compact level. Board Meeting for Fractale: You've seen loli in the suitcase with Shiki and Dragon Crisis. Not to worry, We, as the animators of Fractale, have outdone ourselves with Loli in the Pendant. Transportable. Cute. And no series will outdo this. Oh and we'll even add the ending animation that almost upskirts her for added "service". What's next? Loli in the Ear Ring? No way. His declaration almost makes this mandatory viewing to see if it turns out to be a trainwreck. Following the sales and ratings for this is also almost a mandatory thing. I'm following 9 titles this season so this is easy.
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2011-01-15, 17:18 | Link #282 |
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And what part of "I'll watch a few more episodes and see what happens" you didn't get? Of course I'm going to drop it if it doesn't deliver. Though, if you thought I was just complaining about that scene, then you didn't ever read my post.
That being said, you seem pretty butt-hurt over this, even though I think is fair criticism..... EDIT: "Loli in the Pendant" lol
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2011-01-15, 17:39 | Link #283 | |
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i) close minded people ii) People who could simply do something else but choose to do something and complain about it (excusing the machoists) My post was such people the benefit of the doubt by pointing out how is is close minded and a simple action to avoid "suffering" the anime. Since you replied, perhaps you feel you're one of these types then? As an unrelated observation, I also notice that true experts don't go around shouting how great they are and how experienced they are |
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2011-01-15, 17:57 | Link #285 | |
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The subject is the anime, not the people talking about it (nice of lightbringer, who reminded me of that).
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2011-01-15, 18:06 | Link #286 | ||
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In my post i already mentioned "african tribal women" who go half naked. That is their culture. Applying norms based on one's beliefs when one has no idea on the actual norms of that culture is both arrogant and stupid. The same applies to apply "ew, naked, ew" to a character whose norms are not known. I would have thought a simple think through of what the first post wrote would have pointed this out. |
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2011-01-15, 18:19 | Link #287 | |
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Also, the by the otaku-book reaction of the main character to the girl betrays your rationale for that scene. Maybe they thought there was enough justification for it (you certainly think so too), but I disagree, because it still plays out as the otaku trope. I think there are better ways to portray the slightly "alien" vibe of the girl and the awkwardness of the guy without falling into otaku territory. I did say this before too, but you probably didn't even read that either.
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2011-01-15, 18:34 | Link #288 | ||
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i) My post did not even address you in the first place, yet i'm supposed to know what you said? Using this logic, i don't know Steven Segal but i should know what he ate yesterday? ii) Somehow i'm supposed to address ALL your problems with this anime? Again using this logic, i can't just get a coke but have to buy a full Mcdonald's meal. Quack! Quote:
i) subjective ii) implies that the current way is a valid way As for having to read what you wrote, i dunno, is what you write some sort of divine revelation that i MUST read or something? Will i get a million dollars for reading it? |
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2011-01-15, 18:39 | Link #289 |
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I don't think that Yamamoto is trying to completely avoid standard anime tropes in the first place. Remember, this is the director of Kannagi and Black Rock Shooter (and the beginning of Lucky Star). Certainly not moe free fare.
Here is an interesting interview of his: http://behind-the.nihonreview.com/20...mamoto-yutaka/ Based on that, I'd say he's not trying to avoid common (or even overused) anime tropes but to repackage them in a way that is understandable by and palatable to a more diverse audience, some of whom might have little or no experience with the genre. Regardless of whether you think that's the right goal, I'd say he's doing a pretty good job of achieving it (based on the one episode we have to go on). The argument I'm trying to make is that I don't think we can make the logical leap that if a show uses standard anime tropes that it must be targeted only at otaku.
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2011-01-15, 18:40 | Link #290 | |
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I'm not expecting to be tortured but I'll watch it to see if it does become a trainwreck. If it becomes unbearable, I'll prob bail.
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2011-01-15, 18:40 | Link #291 | |
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If you don't read my post why do you reply to it? I don't get it.
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2011-01-15, 18:41 | Link #292 |
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Erm, I was agreeing with Orion's original post in saying that it was odd that this anime was supposed to not be "otaku pandering" yet the strip/medicine scene seemed more like something out of am otaku directed show rather than a show directed at a wider audience (like Ghibili). I never said being naked was wrong (that point of view would make bathing and, other things, difficult certainly) just that it seemed rather out of place and that the scene could've been done better.
So, um, take a deep breath please? We're hardly being moralistic about it, just stating that the scene felt rather out of place giving what the director has said about the series and were attempting to give support as to why it was strange.
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2011-01-15, 18:49 | Link #293 | |
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Ok it seems that some overestimation on my part happened. Will have to be more detailed.
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It also implies that the current way is acceptable and valid merely not as good. The 2 combined already negates the value of any possible criticism that could be accepted by people who are not you. Why? Because the current method of presentation is valid and any "better way" would have exactly the same value as any other single person's "better way". The value of your criticism is then similar to the following A+B=Storyline (statement is accepted true by you. Refer to point on "valid" above) Finding a subsitute for A Choice 1: Your "better way" = A1 Choice 2: Someone else's "better way" = A2 ..... Choice 100,000: the 100,000th person's else's "better way" = A100000 Hence value of your "better way"=1/100,000 which begs the question why should it be changed in any way when the current way is already valid Quote:
Yet your post talks about some previous post which were NOT replies to my post, yet i am supposed to have read those? So again, give me a reason why i should be EXPECTED to read some post which were NOT replies since my post was not even addressed to you in the first place? |
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2011-01-15, 19:17 | Link #295 | |
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Ah, this is what I missed before. But valid or not is not the point. To begin with, there's not such thing as valid when it comes to fictional portrayals on entertaining media, at least, that's what I'm told in college, and I agree. There are different ways to portray something, some better than others depending on what the author wants to achieve. According to Yamakan himself, he is trying to branch away from the otaku demographic. Considering that, IMO, there are better ways to portray the dynamics between the characters.
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2011-01-15, 19:31 | Link #296 | |
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I would have thought i was detailed enough with the sentence "The 2 combined already negates the value of any possible criticism that could be accepted by people who are not you"
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If you find the entire method invalid, then you can note it as "incorrect" and the only "correct" method being whatever you say but that would be taking subjectivity as objectivity. |
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2011-01-15, 22:44 | Link #300 |
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Yeah, I know what you mean. It had a rather interesting "theatrical" air about it. In particular, the "tone" of the first episode reminded me of Laputa. Not that the material was all that similar, but just the... well, feeling, or flavor, or whatever you want to call it (actually I'm kinda synesthetic that way; scenarios in movies and stuff actually make me think of flavors and physical pressure).
Interesting start to the show, overall. Neat world architecture. Not sure how original the storyline is going to be overall based off the first episode, but even if it were to fall completely on its ear, it'd still be cool to watch it just to see how the rest of the world looks. I hope it does manage to stay fresh, though. |
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