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Old 2021-05-12, 15:18   Link #301
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I was rereading the first chapters, and one of the first thing Frieren did was remark that Fern was good, even before training her. She did it several times. So it's not all Frieren. It may not even be mostly Frieren. We've no idea if she's a good teacher or not.
This. When they met for the first time, Fern was already capable of suppressing her mana to the point she was nearly undetectable even for Frieren herself. This is something that not even adult mages can pull off easily. In fact, for most mages is outright impossible. And Fern was just a child back then.

So, on top of training really hard, there's clearly a lot of raw talent at play as well. By human standards, Fern can probably be considered a prodigy. That been said, I think Frieren is a good teacher and helped Fern improve a lot.
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Old 2021-05-14, 02:54   Link #302
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Fern became an orphan when her village was attacked by demons. More than likely she was already concealing herself as a means for survival, similar to how Flamme and Frieren were trained.
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Old 2021-05-15, 11:31   Link #303
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Yeah, that's likely. But like Kazu-kun said, the very fact that she could do that at such a young age, even without any proper training, is very amazing. I agree with the notion that she must be a prodigy. Though Fern is probably a really good teacher on top of that, too.
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Old 2021-05-15, 13:43   Link #304
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There's two different aspects to her ability though
I think you can praise Fern for learning to control her powerlevel mana at such an early age, but the height of power and skill she has reached now is largely due to following Freiren and having plenty of experience fighting monsters and demons herself.

Even if she learned how to conceal herself from early on, I don't think she was any stronger than the average mage until she continued devoting herself to magecraft under Freiren.
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Old 2021-05-18, 16:41   Link #305
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So I guess we will see Frieren vs Frieren on the next chapter then? If not, I expect Fern vs Frieren.
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Old 2021-05-19, 08:40   Link #306
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Aww, no Denken vs Frieren Clone fight. But hey, a Frieren vs Frieren Clone fight sounds even more awesome! Until you realize you just need to throw a grimorie into the room and you already won.
Übel and Land are becoming one of my fav couples to watch over. The Doppelgänger magic of Land really is incredible though.
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Old 2021-05-20, 12:50   Link #307
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In my previous post, I wanted to say "Though Frieren is probably a really good teacher on top of that, too". But I messed up. Sorry about that.

Frieren vs. Frieren should be pretty good. I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully they won't just end it by using a grimoire ().

I agree about Übel and Land. I like these two.
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Old 2021-05-25, 20:33   Link #308
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Four Eyes and Ubel = best duo
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Old 2021-05-25, 22:05   Link #309
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Freiren vs Freiren would end in a stalemate. Looks like Fern will be the one to tip the scales.
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Old 2021-05-26, 01:46   Link #310
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It's cute how Fern was getting jealous.

And how she's ready to kill Frieren...
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Old 2021-05-26, 09:19   Link #311
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Why was she jealous, though? Is she bi?

Anyway, if Fern really can kill that Frieren clone, she's amazing.
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Old 2021-05-26, 10:24   Link #312
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Fern seems awfully possessive of Frieren lolwhut
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Old 2021-05-26, 14:03   Link #313
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I'm guessing Fern is gonna use her ability to disappear her mana completely in order to get close to the clone to strike her down unguarded. They will probably have to use some sort of smoke screen or light spell to blind the clone as well.
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Old 2021-05-26, 14:49   Link #314
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I'm guessing Fern is gonna use her ability to disappear her mana completely in order to get close to the clone to strike her down unguarded. They will probably have to use some sort of smoke screen or light spell to blind the clone as well.
There's no telling if the clone actually uses sight to sense things.

Freiren already stated a long time ago that Fern is a much quicker caster than her.
That's probably not enough on its own, but she's more than capable of getting a cheap shot with her skill, especially if Freiren is keeping the clone occupied.
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Old 2021-05-27, 03:36   Link #315
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I don't think she meant alone. Imho. I would guess it will be Frieren vs Frieren with Fern being sneaky until moment she will go full Megumin.
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Old 2021-05-27, 05:38   Link #316
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I wonder if Clone Frieren will use the same tactics as normal Frieren or if she goes full magical blast wonder with incredible rare spells and summons and stuff.
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Old 2021-05-27, 19:13   Link #317
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Fern probably knows Frieren's habit too well. Even she knew Frieren's main weaknesses, Mimic.
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Old 2021-05-28, 12:22   Link #318
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@Tenzen12: Why would Fern not be a quicker caster than Frieren on her own? You're either a quick caster or you aren't. This isn't something that requires teamwork. Teamwork would be required to have people distract the opponent while you cast a really big spell that even a quick caster would take some time to cast.

@Ramero: True.
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Old 2021-05-28, 12:52   Link #319
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@Tenzen12: Why would Fern not be a quicker caster than Frieren on her own? You're either a quick caster or you aren't. This isn't something that requires teamwork. Teamwork would be required to have people distract the opponent while you cast a really big spell that even a quick caster would take some time to cast.
That is false.

Fern can be quicker compared to Freiren while Freiren still has the ability to defend herself against someone faster than her.

Anticipation and awareness are always important factors in a fight. Someone who is distracted or preoccupied will naturally have a slower reaction time than someone who is ready and looking for an incoming attack. Reaction time and ability are never in a vacuum.
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Old 2021-05-28, 13:14   Link #320
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@Tenzen12: Why would Fern not be a quicker caster than Frieren on her own? You're either a quick caster or you aren't. This isn't something that requires teamwork. Teamwork would be required to have people distract the opponent while you cast a really big spell that even a quick caster would take some time to cast.

@Ramero: True.
When did I say Fern cannot be quicker caster? Even if she were, that doesn't mean she can defeat (fake) Frieren.
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