2009-06-28, 01:27 | Link #81 |
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I'm seeing a recurring pattern here, it seems that its the political situation of the US that's giving people these strange ideas and misunderstandings. Also there's really a huge lack of knowledge on what Global Warming really is about.
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2009-06-28, 03:13 | Link #82 |
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It's not just the US, but all of the Western nations and other First-World economic countries as well; Many of the global warming/climate change bills in the US are based on what the EU is doing...Unfortunately, that brings an assumption case when the topic of "Environmentalism" is discussed, since modern (As in last 3 decades modern) environmentalism is as much of an "ideology" in politics as anything else and is practically fenced off to the issue of "Global warming/Climate change" with little to no context in anything else...As just shown here, depending on who you talk to, people will speak in different contexts on the same general issue...
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2009-06-28, 04:00 | Link #83 |
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Seems like the politicians and the media are not handling the problem carefully enough.
Scientists seem to have a hard time convincing politicians or getting them to understand. Like, while there's the Near Earth Asteroid Rendevous program, which tracks deadly asteroids. There are no political decisions on who will be busting those rocks when the Earth is faced with such threats. Even the UN hasn't given the any answers on how should the Earth react to such an event, who's going to be sending rockets and who's going to fund. Its a threat to the entire world, so its not only NASA and America's responsibility to save the world from asteroids. The same goes for Global Warming, the politicians are not handling it well enough.
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2009-06-28, 04:26 | Link #84 | ||
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If you wanted to make a point of our scientific ignorance, I would recommend using an example of things we can't explain, not something that's very easily explained with the current knowledge. I'll admit that the cyclic nature of earth's climate isn't very clear cut case but why the atmosphere "sticks" to the earth... Have you actually heard about a thing called gravity? Something that baffles me in your logic is the idea that if we can't create something we can't destroy it either. How does that work. Granted we probably will not be capable of completely destroying earth's ecological system, we'll be dead long before that and that is in fact what we're trying to postpone if not prevent. Quote:
Of course it may be that this is just some quirk that we had nothing to do about, but given the facts that we have today it seems very very unlikely. Given the predictions of the outcome and fairly strong evidence that we can actually do something about it, shouldn't we do it? Nah, it's just a rare natural quirk that will probably kill just 90% of human kind.... |
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2009-06-28, 08:28 | Link #85 |
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I can't take anything seriously when the same people who rant and rave about what there science is telling them now as if it's a fact when they did the same thing 30 years ago but it was instead a definite thing that we were all in for a soon to be ice age. Beware the consensus' in science, they usually mean a group of "scientists" are telling certain people what they want to hear.
I'm not gonna get into arguments with self important people who believe that there "science" is all that matters when it's based off of computer models they change as the wind blows. There are way to many variables that can be brought in by human greed to trust any of the scientific consensus. You can call me a fool and ignorant and direct me to take certain "classes" to better understand things but the truth is nobody really knows anything concrete and they are merely trying to make themselves thing they are more significant then they are. Do what you will as far as trying to save the world that's fine with me, enjoy your new religion. I'll just do what I always do, steer clear of zealots and tend to my own garden.
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2009-06-28, 10:29 | Link #86 | ||||||
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2009-06-28, 10:34 | Link #87 |
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Well, I guess I affect global warming indirectly by the fact that I'm practically scared to drive, even though I'll eventually get to it.
On a side note, I really support Green Peace, as well as a lot of those animal welfare organizations. I think I eventually plan on becoming a complete vegetarian, because I've been cutting off animals from my list of things I eat. So far, I refuse... -Reptiles -Amphibians -Insects -Lamb -Lobster -Clams and Oysters -Deer -Anything that's more exotic than that. I really got to stop eating chicken, beef and pork, since those are the ones I find hardest to stop eating. Once I do that, I think I'm pretty much a vegetarian. I've been seriously cutting down on all fast food however. Especially KFC. It's a long way to no meat for me. |
2009-06-28, 10:44 | Link #88 |
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When I am free from this seriously unavoidable thing called College I will start life anew as a vegetarian, and would also start sowing seeds around my mother's yard, my aunt's yard and even our neighbors front garage - which has a nice patch of rich soil - though he doesn't want any fruit growing on his turf.
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2009-06-28, 11:22 | Link #89 |
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What's hilarious about this topic is that somehow the individual people are responsible for all the environmental "disasters", and that we all must do our part in all the things we're doing horribly wrong.
Instead of, you know, just going after the megacorporations which kinda spend a fuckton more energy in a day than any individual person would ever do in their whole life. But why am I asking myself this...? It's the megacorporations telling us it's our fault anyways
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2009-06-28, 11:39 | Link #90 | |
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Individuals are only "responsible" in that they happily consume from the choices given (oh we don't sell that because the profit margin wasn't as high - doesn't matter that you *wanted* it). And unfortunately, watching the lobbyists derail/defang even obviously-good-for-the-general-public ideas shows that grassroots pressure directly on politicians to get changes made. And even then (as we're seeing) the politicians will try to dress up crap as the "solution" with a pretty name and then its business as usual. It gets *really* interesting when politicians go directly against what even the majority of their own party's voters want.
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2009-06-28, 11:52 | Link #91 | |
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And yeah, you're right about the behavioral thing; Unlike the dinosaurs, humans have the cognitive ability to rationalize...The only dinosaur right now is Nancy Pelosi, silly me for mistaking our species on equal to another...
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2009-06-28, 12:04 | Link #92 | |
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Every human need to do something, each of us need to do something. You think that what we will do will change nothing. Well me I think you're wrong. Every little thing we will do it's better than a big nothing. And if each of us do this litlle thing then it will be a big something a big someting that can even change the behviour of these megacorporation. Because if these megacorporation work, it's because there is people who buy their product. But if these people don't buy their products anymore then they will be force to change. I will say it again and again and again, but each of us as human have a responsabilty toward our Earth. It's not acceptable that the planet who gave us life, who gave us everything, us human just don't care about her and destroy her just for our sake. It's not acceptable at all ! Yes I know it's more easy to say, it's not our fault, it's the fault of the megacorporation and blablablabla....Sorry but sometimes, you need to see the truth and to take your responsabilty even if it's more difficult. So yes it's the fault of the megacorporation but it's also the fault of each us. And I know that some people think we have the choice to do it or not but it's not true. We don't have any choice here. It's not a matter of choice but a matter of duty toward your planet. A matter of your responsabilty toward next generation. A matter of survival !
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2009-06-28, 13:39 | Link #95 | |
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While you tend to your own garden, I hope you're not using a gas powered mower, also don't use too much conventional fertilizer and pesticide, turn to organic products instead. People leave all sorts of electrical appliances on standby, these drain electricity as well. Gasoline heaters, electric heaters, the worse thing about using them is not that they are inefficient, its the houses that humans live that are terribly inefficient in keeping heat in. Building technologies are now coming up with walls and windows that can keep heated rooms heated and also keep the house cool during summer. There are so many things that the individual household does that's contributing to the carbon footprint and other environmental effects. Billions of people live in homes, these homes contribute a very significant amount of greenhouse gases, not just in carbon emissions, but also CFCs and other ozone depleting gases. If you don't have the habit of switching off lights and switches in your home, I'm not sure whether you have the habit at work, vice versa.
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2009-06-28, 16:34 | Link #96 | |
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2009-06-28, 19:06 | Link #97 | |
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As I see it, part of the problem is that people are so set on the idea that they need to cut corners and win people's approval in order to be successful that they throw any thought of morals and ethics out, and they lose any courage to stand up for their beliefs or to question what's going on. As I believe in the good of humanity, I think that if there were a bit more of that then perhaps "corporations" and other large groups of people would be seen in a better light than they are now.
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2009-06-29, 09:12 | Link #98 | |
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The "aerosol thing" was indeed a problem but it had nothing to do with cooling or heating. It was about the ozone layer that protects us from nasty solar radiation (UV) being stripped away by a chemical reaction from refrigerants -- and guess what, we seem to have reversed the degradation. By eliminating the chemicals involved, the natural processes that generate the ozone layer could re-assert.
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2009-06-29, 18:12 | Link #99 | |
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And come on you HAVE to remember this... Spoiler for pic:
Before that came out it was pretty much limited to articles in scientific periodicals and reports from environmental summits, but once the media got involved is when the arm waving started. |
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2009-06-29, 20:02 | Link #100 |
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hmmmm, the most I recall is that the supposed "cooling" that refers to turned out to be purely statistical ghosts from bias in the data collection-- all I can guess is that it was debunked so quickly I simply threw it in the mental trash bin. It doesn't even show up in chart graphs I can find in Nature except as a slowing in the increase of rising temperatures for a short period at one interval in the last 100 years.
yeah, I need to pull up this again...
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