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Old 2017-09-22, 04:51   Link #6521
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^Those are all Teleportation story bro
Knights and Magic is Reincarnation but it skips to certain age
Also Mushoku has snusnu
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Old 2017-09-22, 05:10   Link #6522
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^Those are all Teleportation story bro
Knights and Magic is Reincarnation but it skips to certain age
Also Mushoku has snusnu
Why does tensei or teleportation matter AT ALL?
My point is that nothing has ever stopped anime companies from making a franchise out of successful series. Other than the author him/herself.

As for snusnu they fucking picked up SEISHOKUKI for TV adaptation god's sake, and that manga is straight up PORN.
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Old 2017-09-22, 05:21   Link #6523
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Did the author actually ever said he wanted his work to be animated?

Like you said. There are some author that declines anime project, like Yotsuba& among others.

If he wanted to, well, not sure whatever the reason it's not made yet.
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Old 2017-09-22, 05:23   Link #6524
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Did the author actually want his work to be animated?

Like you said. There are some author that declines anime project, like Yotsuba& among others.

If he wanted to, well, not sure whatever the reason it's not made yet.
That's basically the only explanation as I'm 100% sure he's been approached with multiple offers.
But the author has been mum about it, so we don't know for sure what's going on in the background.

Azuma's case is rather different as he's a more vocal author, not to mention he's already made fortune with the anime adaptation success of his previous work.
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Old 2017-09-22, 05:26   Link #6525
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Why does tensei or teleportation matter AT ALL?
My point is that nothing has ever stopped anime companies from making a franchise out of successful series. Other than the author him/herself.

As for snusnu they fucking picked up SEISHOKUKI for TV adaptation god's sake, and that manga is straight up PORN.
What matters is the childhood part which is resulting of Reincarnation is way too long
It was skipped in K&M so no matter
But it can't be skipped for Mushoku since it's very important
You also see ossan in child body lusting for youjo here
Quite difficult to be animated imo

Also do you really know for sure that author received offer for animation? Just your assumption imo
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Old 2017-09-22, 05:38   Link #6526
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What matters is the childhood part which is resulting of Reincarnation is way too long
It was skipped in K&M so no matter
But it can't be skipped for Mushoku since it's very important
You also see ossan in child body lusting for youjo here
Quite difficult to be animated imo

Also do you really know for sure that author received offer for animation? Just your assumption imo
None of that is relevant. There are literally hundreds of anime adaptation that is too long for adaptation.

As for the last bit, do you even know who you're talking to?
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Old 2017-09-22, 05:45   Link #6527
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^Are you actually 理不尽な孫の手

You're being so curious of why is this not animated yet,
But not considering the possibility that the content itself has some problem to be animated

As if there's anyone who would refuse his work being animated
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Old 2017-09-22, 05:47   Link #6528
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^Uh, there is. What makes you think there isn't anyone who would refuse?
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Old 2017-09-22, 05:54   Link #6529
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^Are you actually 理不尽な孫の手

You're being so curious of why is this not animated yet,
But not considering the possibility that the content itself has some problem to be animated
There are dozens of animation studios in Japan.
Every single majorly successful franchise gets approached from SOMEONE. Every. Single. One. They are out to make money, and MT is not ANY more difficult than plethora of other works that got animated or were offered.
This is true in both manga or novel industry.
I know this both as a native Japanese who's been observing the industry for over 30 years, from both inside and outside of publishing industry.

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As if there's anyone who would refuse his work being animated
There are plenty of examples. We were just discussing one above you.
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Old 2017-09-22, 06:07   Link #6530
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^Oh yeah, you are Japanese...

But wait yo

Aren't your government trying so hard to prevent the increase of Newtype NEET

What would happen if there is an anime about an Ossan NEET who died pitifully but then rewarded with young girls harem in another world?
Wouldn't it propagate the emergence of more Newtype NEET?
It might still pass as niche that is LN but anime for the masses?
Are you sure it's okay?
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Old 2017-09-22, 06:11   Link #6531
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^Oh yeah, you are Japanese...

But wait yo

Aren't your government trying so hard to prevent the increase of Newtype NEET

What would happen if there is an anime about an Ossan NEET who died pitifully but then rewarded with young girls harem in another world?
Wouldn't it propagate the emergence of more Newtype NEET?
It might still pass as niche that is LN but anime for the masses?
Are you sure it's okay?
I know you're joking, but the entire theme of Mushoku Tensei is how the protagonist grows up, matures, and overcomes his past as a NEET and become a functioning meaningful member of the society...
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Old 2017-09-22, 07:06   Link #6532
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I know you're joking, but the entire theme of Mushoku Tensei is how the protagonist grows up, matures, and overcomes his past as a NEET and become a functioning meaningful member of the society...
Society of another world, right?

Not like this theme is apparent to the masses at first glance
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Old 2017-09-22, 07:35   Link #6533
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There are dozens of animation studios in Japan.
Every single majorly successful franchise gets approached from SOMEONE. Every. Single. One. They are out to make money, and MT is not ANY more difficult than plethora of other works that got animated or were offered.
This is true in both manga or novel industry.
I know this both as a native Japanese who's been observing the industry for over 30 years, from both inside and outside of publishing industry.

There are plenty of examples. We were just discussing one above you.
How often do you reckon a particular franchise gets an anime version because one particular bigwig simply liked it?

Also, would you say that profitability is a much more important consideration than revenue?

I've sometimes wondered if there's any chance that "kumo desu ga, nani ka" will ever get animated. I suspect it would require some particular bigwig taking a liking to it and pushing it through to be honest. I think total sales are over 1m (though that might include the manga).
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Old 2017-09-22, 08:33   Link #6534
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How often do you reckon a particular franchise gets an anime version because one particular bigwig simply liked it?
This is likely very rare. But they do happen. For example Whisper of the Heart, where a relatively unknown shoujo manga got picked up by Miyazaki for film adaptation, much to the author's surprise. She couldn't believe her ears when her editors told her.
I suspect similar dealing with K-ON! which was also a very minor manga that got picked up by Kyoani - although this one may involved very masterful planning of potential by a capable conference of people.
As for Isekai adaptations, we don't have any concrete information but Re:Zero seems like a potential case as well. It did have a faithful following but it wasn't particularly high in rankings nor high in sales, but it got massive budget, episode count, and huge endorsement out of blue.

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Also, would you say that profitability is a much more important consideration than revenue?
Absolutely. However, unlike younger kid's anime, many novels and seinen adaptation is quite hard to measure and generally more popular = more well known = revenue, and profitability obviously considers extension potential of the franchise product. I would bring up K-ON! as a masterful example of franchise planning.

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I've sometimes wondered if there's any chance that "kumo desu ga, nani ka" will ever get animated. I suspect it would require some particular bigwig taking a liking to it and pushing it through to be honest. I think total sales are over 1m (though that might include the manga).
Honestly I think it's matter of time. Kumo had one of the fastest rise in ranking I've seen in years. From its conception to climbing to the top of the ranking was blazing fast, and the sales are incredible. It's up to half a million copies in this short a time!
It would be crazy for anime makers to not drool over this title.

It is however, up to the author. They have the final say in these things, not the publisher.
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Old 2017-09-22, 09:04   Link #6535
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^ Well Kumo is arguably much easier to animate than MT. It has nice action many things that are easy to do in anime and plenty of good climaxes to use for end of the season. There are only a few problems. Firstly there is the cannibalism (she easts both people and her own species), but not like it can't get censored out. The greater problem would be the MC being a big fat spider (instead of bishoujo) which takes a bit of originality to make appealing (like you can add her original form somewhere in the background or go mostly first person view, but it takes some talent for it not to go horribly wrong). And there is also the point, that almost no characters (especially Ariel) make their appearance till the second half of the series, till where the anime likely wouldn't make it.

MT, on the other hand, is kind of full of problems. There is the MC's character, the sex (which for a change is not inconsequential but major thing for the plot), the point of MC growing up during the plot (hard to do and adds costs as you can't cut it with one design) and hundreds of other small problems (the isekai theme not being really popular for anime adaptations could be one of them). While there might be some minor studios who maybe would like to animate this, I doubt one of the big ones is really too eager to take all the risks (controversy, chances of it going horribly as it's different from their usual anime) and if a small studio takes this up it would go... really bad.

I kind of expect Kumo to get adaptation from someone with enough courage and confidence in his skills to try it (or when they have nothing worthy of trying except for this and original production), but I have high doubts MT is gonna get adaptation anytime soon (especially when they have the hundreds of similar isekai works with fewer problems).
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Old 2017-09-22, 10:07   Link #6536
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This is likely very rare. But they do happen. For example Whisper of the Heart, where a relatively unknown shoujo manga got picked up by Miyazaki for film adaptation, much to the author's surprise. She couldn't believe her ears when her editors told her.
I suspect similar dealing with K-ON! which was also a very minor manga that got picked up by Kyoani - although this one may involved very masterful planning of potential by a capable conference of people.
As for Isekai adaptations, we don't have any concrete information but Re:Zero seems like a potential case as well. It did have a faithful following but it wasn't particularly high in rankings nor high in sales, but it got massive budget, episode count, and huge endorsement out of blue.
Thanks for the examples.

I guess those with "more money than sense" don't last very long. I guess the successful examples could be an example of "smart money" (those with skill in picking a winner).


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Absolutely. However, unlike younger kid's anime, many novels and seinen adaptation is quite hard to measure and generally more popular = more well known = revenue, and profitability obviously considers extension potential of the franchise product. I would bring up K-ON! as a masterful example of franchise planning.
I guess one thing that's hard to see from outside is production costs, licensing costs, etc. If a franchise is "expensive" then it might not be profitable even if it's popular and has good sales.


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Honestly I think it's matter of time. Kumo had one of the fastest rise in ranking I've seen in years. From its conception to climbing to the top of the ranking was blazing fast, and the sales are incredible. It's up to half a million copies in this short a time!
It would be crazy for anime makers to not drool over this title.
Really? That's nice to hear. I thought the unusual content would be a real problem... though it would be a great way to stand out from the crowd too.


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It is however, up to the author. They have the final say in these things, not the publisher.
I'd be surprised if that was a problem with this author - as he (?) is full of praise for the manga adaptation. I think the author's response would basically be "nai wa-" followed by much joy

One series where it is obviously up to the author is "Kenkyo, kenjitsu o motto ni ikite orimasu!". It's very popular, there's tons of fan-art... but the author doesn't post anything and there's no commercial version. I can't believe that the author wouldn't have gotten a ton of offers. I can only assume she's just not interested (yet). Maybe someday...


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^ Well Kumo is arguably much easier to animate than MT. It has nice action many things that are easy to do in anime and plenty of good climaxes to use for end of the season. There are only a few problems. Firstly there is the cannibalism (she easts both people and her own species), but not like it can't get censored out. The greater problem would be the MC being a big fat spider (instead of bishoujo) which takes a bit of originality to make appealing (like you can add her original form somewhere in the background or go mostly first person view, but it takes some talent for it not to go horribly wrong). And there is also the point, that almost no characters (especially Ariel) make their appearance till the second half of the series, till where the anime likely wouldn't make it.

I kind of expect Kumo to get adaptation from someone with enough courage and confidence in his skills to try it (or when they have nothing worthy of trying except for this and original production), but I have high doubts MT is gonna get adaptation anytime soon (especially when they have the hundreds of similar isekai works with fewer problems).
I don't think the cannibalism aspect would be a problem. It's also less apparent in the LN, and it's not like it has to be shown (except maybe the first spider she eats). There might be a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek jokes about opponents become mosaic though

I've thought about how Kumo could be animated quite a bit. I think the best thing would be to follow the manga approach and ignore the side stories (for now) and do either the first 3 or first 4 volumes. It would be quite cheap on the seiyuu side of things
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Old 2017-09-22, 20:59   Link #6537
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NEWS : The new LN publisher Red Rising Books is cancelling new publications for all LN planned to be released after August

Whelp~
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Old 2017-09-22, 21:10   Link #6538
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Yeah, I noticed that. Apparently their parent company is doing some corporate downsizing.
Only book I really care about that they published is Jujutsushi (which I bought). It'd be nice if they'd partner with Bookwalker or something and switch to ebooks instead of just outright putting a halt on the new books.

Apparently they're still going to support books already selling, though. Meaning they're still shipping those books out and accepting returns and whatever. Just no new volumes.
Which could be an issue really, if they decide to hold on to the copyrights (can they even do that?) so they can't get re-published elsewhere.
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Old 2017-09-22, 21:21   Link #6539
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^Some authors already recovered their copyrights
Author of Shounen Kiss / Saratoga is one

But he said himself that it will be hard to have another publisher to take book that has already published once
Sad

I already feel this company is dubious
Took too many projects in it's 1st year
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Old 2017-09-22, 21:34   Link #6540
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Wouldn't it only be difficult if it dropped due to low sales?
I think it'd be easier due to the company itself going out, since potential publishers can probably look up sales statistics. Instead of going in blind, like they normally do.
I suppose re-releasing the first volume would probably be a major setback though. I doubt any of the books have like Infinite Stratos levels of sales.

I suppose they were taking on quite a bit of work.
The books weren't even the usual small books you'd expect of light novels and were like actual book dimensions (hence the 1200 yen price when light novels are usually half that).
Plus they didn't seem inclined to get on the whole ebook bandwagon.
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