2013-04-02, 12:09 | Link #27263 |
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You're probably not getting it: Japan doesn't have the offensive weapons to destroy a determined opponent's task forces. When just about all of its neighbors are capable of invading Honshu, you really think that Japan can be considered a traditional military power.
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2013-04-02, 12:19 | Link #27264 |
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Depends how much China or ROK wants to commit. It's a question of whether it's worth it to do so or not. Else you might as well call 1973 Israel not a traditional military power.
Japan lacks the traditional cruise missiles and ground strike munitions that everyone's so fond of but you don't need those to secure that strip of water.
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2013-04-02, 12:25 | Link #27265 | |
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About Japan, it would surely help them getting higher in the standings if they can burn that outdated Article 9. With the complexity of the political system in place since 1945, full remilitarization is impossible anyway. |
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2013-04-02, 13:22 | Link #27269 |
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Some would rather Japan never have the ability to invade or attack any of its neighbors ever again.
That or the Koreans don't want a rival should they ever unify the penninsula, as in Sumeragi's case she thinks Korea would be aggressive militarily and an offensively armed Japan would be a rival.
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2013-04-02, 13:23 | Link #27270 |
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Although Germany was once reduced to the same status as Japan, but was also ripped in half for over 40 years after 1945, I don't see why it would keep Japan from having bigger and better armed forces. To me, too many people in Japan are taking that bloody Article 9 too literally while Germans found a way to get around it a lot although there has to be a similar article in the post-war German constitution.
Even after reunification, the Germans know that economic ties as a deterrent are just not enough. Credit to them for making strides in reaching the number 7 spot and being a major player in NATO. edit: Why would South Korea be allowed to get themselves at number 8, and not Japan considering all the crap thrown at them by China/North Korea/Russia altogether for a long time? Don't you think the French and the British (both threw quite loads of crap at Germany for a long time) thought it was a potential problem when they saw their own political power dwindling in Europe while Germany is on the rise on all fronts? Instead of seeing only the bad, partnerships were created despite centuries of intense rivalries. Last edited by KiraYamatoFan; 2013-04-02 at 13:34. |
2013-04-02, 13:35 | Link #27271 |
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I don't really know about the legal aspect of the thing and your article 9, but to improve your army, you need money and only countries with economical growth or countries that over years managed to balance their economy and finance the army can do it.
Countries in recession or stagflation can't really do it, Japan is no exception, whether you take off this article 9, the country simply won't have the means to highly develop the defense force. And also, as you are certainly aware, we western countries are quite in a crappy situation, the politicians prefers to reduce the money on armament than increasing it. People in time of peace simply won't agree to have their money wasted on futility .. There are exceptions of course hur hur. |
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Speaking of finances, Italy has been stagnating for a while (grazie, Signor Berlusconi) and that makes even less sense for them to remain that high in the standings. Just saying... edit: Quote:
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2013-04-02, 13:42 | Link #27273 | |
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Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution
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2013-04-02, 13:47 | Link #27274 | |
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We are free to continue arguing on the economic, but that really isn't my field, I will back from this. |
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2013-04-02, 14:07 | Link #27275 | ||
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1. Japan is having enough troubles without spending money on a military. 2. Korea needs Japan as much as Japan needs Korea. Even with reunification Korea will be needing a large military for quite a long time, and given how the ROKAF have always been able to get more out with less money, it's better that Japan lets the Koreans do most of the heavy lifting in exchange for economic focus. |
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2013-04-02, 14:26 | Link #27276 | |
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I also think you are mistaken if you believe Germany more freely interpreting their constitution to take part in global missions did them any good - they don't really have much to gain in Afghanistan, Africa or the Balkans. It only costs money, men and sympathy (making Germany a target for terror) and attracting of Asylum seekers though the connections on the foreign front. It would have been way easier to just continue letting the other western countries/U.S. deal with all this while playing the remorseful sinner that learned its lesson. The only positive thing for Germany is the experience gain of the missions - a few small ability gaps have been closed in turn. (e.g. finally buying refuelers) |
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2013-04-02, 14:38 | Link #27277 | |
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2013-04-02, 14:43 | Link #27278 |
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Japan and South Korea have roughly similar navies in size. There abilities differ, mainly due to the Artcle 9 preventing the Japanese warships from shipping Tomahawk cruiser missiles (though they do carry Harpoon anti-ship missiles). The Japanese ships however carry superior anti-air and anti-ballistic missile systems.
The Japanese are also ahead in flattops, with multiple in service and under construction to Korea's one.
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2013-04-02, 14:57 | Link #27279 | |
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If NK drops a nuclear bomb that affects Japan directly or indirectly I bet my car that they will drop Article 9 faster than you can say "kamikaze" >_< |
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2013-04-02, 16:17 | Link #27280 |
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U.S. deploys warship as tensions over North Korea rise
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9310OL20130402 And the sillyness around Korea continues to escalate...*sigh* |
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