2009-06-21, 17:38 | Link #141 |
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"Iran's Guardian Council has admitted that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of those eligible to cast ballot in those areas. "
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020101 I'm not shocked by this at all. I think it undermines the government's assertion that the elections were fair even more. |
2009-06-21, 18:01 | Link #142 | |
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Where is Obama during this time? The American President Barack Obama, the star of hope who claims to side with justice and to use force when necessary isn't doing much.. In fact, I can't believe Obama is claiming to hope the better for these poor civilians fighting against tyranny when he is also hoping to keep the diplomatic channels open with Iran. Is that a joke? Barack Obama should quickly declare siding with these protestors as that Iran's nuclear program is a threat to the safety of people living in Israel and parts of Europe in which are all American allies. Not mentioning that Iran may also be selling nuclear arms to Syria and have deals with North Korea, a bunch of enemies. There is nothing wrong with Barack Obama to side with justice at this time, send troops over to protect the civilians from bloodshed and slaughter. Keeping diplomatic channels open with Iran is meaningless as that they have no intentions of making peace. If they were interested to make peace, it would be done long ago. Currently, the protestors in Iran, the ones who support Mousavi desire peace, desire good bilateral ties with the United States, they want to go against tyranny, dictatorship that has been achieved by a fradulent election, not mentioning that the current leader of Iran is making it sound like the protestors are an enemy and threat to the regime, his very own dictatorship, even though they were standing on the side of righteousness and justice. How can America under the leadership of the great star of hope Obama ignore their cries and the blood splatter by clinging to hopeless hopes of keeping the diplomatic channels open when the United States has long been known to be a protector of justice and peace, one who maintains balance and order in multiple countries. Iran is definitely one of those countries in which their people needs protection the most right now. Its good to hear, however that some members of the Iranian local authorities have joined the protestors but handguns aren't going to do any better against AK-47s. If the Iranian army attacks, it would be problematic. I am also guessing that some members of the military will also be joining the protestors. Even so, it is difficult to see the end of this without bloodshed. If the protestors back then, then everyone involved will get hunted and killed. Its just worse.. Many European nations have already condemned the actions of Iran, yet American president Barack Obama have yet said anything of that sort. Although Iran is making claims that Europe is meddling with their affairs. However, truth is that whether Europe condemn them or not, they will still be labelled as meddling with their affairs one way or another, might as well do it. Thus, Obama should follow suit.. Last edited by Shadow Kira01; 2009-06-21 at 18:04. Reason: fixed. |
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2009-06-21, 18:47 | Link #143 |
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Obama has called the violence against the protesters "unjust." It's not a direct condemnation, but the implication is there. Same as supporting the protesters. Not directly, but he said, "The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights."
I still think that approach is best at this time. Things are still unfolding and there needs to be a clearer picture of what's going on before a firmer stance can be taken. An image has been posted that is supposedly Neda's passport photo. Further reports say she may have been 27 years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neda_(Iranian_protester) I saw one report that said, on the street where she was killed, someone has spray painted her name over street signs. This article explains the "cycle of mourning" in Shiite Islam and points out that day 40 can be the most important.
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2009-06-21, 19:12 | Link #144 | |
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2009-06-21, 20:00 | Link #145 |
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The way CIA performed during the Cold War and how Hollywood glamorised it, not a wonder that people often overestimate its efficiency. Maybe their deeds have outshone their screw-up of the U2 Dragon Lady and 911.
It is interesting that Iran included Israel in its list of "perpetrators" but never specified the Shin Bet or Mossad.
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2009-06-21, 20:41 | Link #146 | ||
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He became a symbol? Really? The Israeli-Palestine issue has enough symbols. 1 more or less doesn't change a thing. Quote:
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2009-06-21, 22:27 | Link #147 | ||
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Bad link. Here is the good one people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neda_Agha-Soltan Anyway, take a look at this : Iran's Election Page On Ahmadinejad The last two said "Pursuing uranium enrichment activities for civilian purposes" and "Open to talks with the US providing Washington shows practical policy change". Yeah right. He tested MRBMs while enriching uranium, and all he does during the "Open talks" is demonise US and NATO for their "imperialist policies". Quote:
Regarding the shooting of that girl, is it a drive-by shooting by the military or the militia?
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2009-06-21, 22:31 | Link #148 |
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On the shooting incident, it's still pretty much hearsay, as far as I can tell.
On Israel, yeah, it's a permanent smear campaign. The distraction has worked, until recently. It's so much easier to pass the buck than to address a problem head-on. Unemployment and inflation are going up by the year, and the regime chooses to do something else. As I said before, you don't want to piss off young people, especially if they form 2/3 of the population.
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2009-06-22, 00:43 | Link #149 | ||
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2009-06-22, 03:00 | Link #150 | ||
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Oh wait. It doesn't work anymore in modern society. Bet their parents are flogging themselves over 10,000 times for not knowing how to deal with the impacts of computers on their kids. Quote:
Very unlikely to be a rooftop sniper, given how tall and close together the buildings are as seen in the photos, the sniper would have went for headshots, unless he is shooting at the frontline of the mob. Also from the wound in youtube, it is a straight direct shot with the bullet lodged in the body, a sniper bullet (being more streamlined to go longer ranges) would have created an exit wound. Most likely to be a motorcycle strafing run, something of a pistol caliber. It is interesting that Iran blocks Youtube, Facebook and Wikipedia, yet all these videos manage to get out. P.S The gun that Basij guys are carrying looks like SIG P226s.
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2009-06-22, 03:40 | Link #152 | |
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This is what happens when the state implements hardcore censorship. It affects the minds of the adults too, and unintentionally, the next generation because the adults are less-informed on the changes of the outside world. Thank goodness the Guardians finally got the short and sharp reminder that the world does not revolve around them, and that censorship has its own destructive effects.
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2009-06-22, 03:46 | Link #153 |
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Well, after the '79 revolution, the regime faced off against Iraq in a war which lasted 8 years, and killed anywhere between half a million to 1 million people. It's a bit like Vietnam: the trauma which war brings makes the leadership hyper sensitive/paranoid. At least in Vietnam, the leadership didn't take too long to loosen up.
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2009-06-22, 04:17 | Link #155 | |
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Iran is different, they have their own military industry (though it is mostly reversed-engineered American technology...) and factories to build their stuff, like the Zulqifar MBT and the Khaybar AR. They also have the most important resource in the world : oil. I will watch the video when I get home. The firewalls are getting on my nerves. EDIT : I thought it was a real report! But nvm, THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS.
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2009-06-22, 07:03 | Link #157 | |
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1. Prove it 2. If not, ST*U. I wish they wouldn't take the ENTIRE damned context of Islam into their bloody damn politics. I got tons of Muslim relatives as well as non-Muslim ones, and it isn't fair to people like us who are on the religious middle ground, neither is it on our moderate religious relatives. How can the Jews/Israelis/Zionists cause such a riot when they are miles away?
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2009-06-22, 09:04 | Link #158 | |
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2009-06-22, 09:28 | Link #159 | |
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Someone needs to calm down a bit
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2009-06-22, 10:11 | Link #160 |
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Okay, geniuses ... "young people" includes pretty much anyone under THIRTY years of age. The specific reference to Iran having a lot of "young people" counts anyone under TWENTY FIVE as young. Just a little more reading please before spouting, eh?
The power here resides in all the "young people" who make the economy run - all those 20-somethings. It seems to be getting too dangerous to street protest--- to REALLY smack the government, it seems much more prudent to call a General Strike. Everyone just stay home - don't go to work. Employers who sympathize should just shut down. Oh, but the street youth should keep up their "Hunt the Basij" game.... that appears to be putting more terror into the Basij than the Basij can create in the populace.
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