2013-06-27, 17:15 | Link #41 | |
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K, Dog Days, Valvrave, Un-Go,k, Star Driver, Gargantia and Psycho Pass? I'm just listening a few that came out recently. It honestly depends. It can either be 12 eps or 24 or whatever inbetween. All up to the studio and whether they rather split it into different seasons. If you asking how they come with the concept they either get pitched a concept or they hire someone to write the storyboard for them. Anime-originals usually get spin-offs, but these usually suck. Take a important note. Anime, Manga, Light Novels, whatever. Its for the Japanese people. Japs usually don't give a crap about Gaijin. Its how they do business. For the most part Anime is for promotional value. Figures, Cards, Shirts, Towels, whatever. If you like the series than you might buy the original piece. You can use Horizon as a perfect example. Just the sheer volume size could rub people the wrong way. Add in the fact that most of the girls on the cover have J cup breasts most people would avoid the series altogether. Get sunrise to produce a Ok job series now the books sell like hot cakes. Adapting a light novel, manga, a visual novel or a psp/ps3 game is different. Light novels tend to have more words. Meaning when they adapt it they need to dumb it, kill off a bunch of characters and so forth. A light novel adaption will never get technical, any side character deem unimportant they'll axe. Its just a wasted expense. Also pacing in light novels are usually different. You might find the start for the story midway in one novel or you'll find the actual prologue in volume 3. Anime has to make sense, you can't just dump someone in and expect them to understand whats happening. You basically need to spoon feed the audience. Mangas are somewhat easier, since they already have drawn panels you'll pick and choose what you want to animate. What the scriptwriter deems important and so forth. Visual novels and games. These are usually the easiest because they usually just follow one route. Its one route, but they'll add key flags from other routes to keep the audience guessing. This is mainly for people who played the game already. Light novels usually get a 12-14 adaption. If they're popular enough or sell well they may get another season. If its something highly popular like Fate or Index you'll end up with 24 episodes, ovas and maybe movies. For visual novels and games in general its usually the 11-14 episode adaption. Thats pretty much the amount of eps they need to fully adapt a route. Another important note time. Instead of getting cheaper its more expensive to animate than ever. And its pretty easy for people to analyze the video to see if your bsing or not. Your more likely to see 12-14 episodes in general. Its a rare occurrence to see anything more. Just because the expense is tremendous.
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2013-06-27, 20:05 | Link #43 | |
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I finally got around to watching Gundam Seed (I had it in the background while I was doing other stuff) and was amazed at how draggy the first part of the series is. The first 30 episodes had 6 episodes of recaps, and was incredibly draggy and repetitive. Half the battle scenes consist of reused animations of Freedom doing his beam spam or the Arch Angel firing its Valiants and Gottfrieds. The whole thing could have been compressed to than 26 episodes without losing anything of value at all. Of course that doesn't mean studios have stepped up to the challenge of making better paced anime, as there are still plenty of 13 episode series with terrible pacing and a lot of extra fluff. |
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2013-06-27, 23:37 | Link #44 | |
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If all the target audience wants is smut, then they'll invest in the franchise. Simple as that. Not that common unless the series was enough of a success to justify a second season to begin with. Most adaptations never run through their entire source material. |
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2013-06-28, 00:17 | Link #46 |
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Because the worldwide economic downfall in recent years has hit Japan very hard, including anime industry. Harder times mean smaller budgets, and hence shorter series.
It's also one of reasons why there has been a growing trend for industry staples like moe and fanservice-related themes, which pander to the industry's most important consumers, the otaku. |
2013-06-28, 01:31 | Link #47 | |
Homo Ludens
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Also, nobody intentionally makes a bad show, but obviously talented staff are going to cost more to hire... which tends to make for something of lower-quality. But again, the only real measure of success for an adaptation is how well it performs at advertising the source. Mondaiji, for instance, did relatively poorly, but more than doubled the sales of the light novel. Something similar happened with Date-A-Live, I believe. You know that stuff like that has been around for a very long time, right? |
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2013-06-29, 22:02 | Link #48 |
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In my opinion, adaptation from one source (VN/LN/ANIME/Manga) to another source rarely end well.
VN-Manga/anime-Cut too much stuff out, especially alternative routes. LN-manga-Cut a lot of stuff out. Barely survived volume 1 or volume 2 of the book before the mangaka gives up. (SEE: Campion, Blade Dance, most of Baka's LN projects) LN-Anime-About the same, slightly better, again, a ton of material "missed" from books. Manga-Anime-People will complain useless filler garbage (See: Original Saint Seyia, Doramon) Etc.
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2013-06-29, 23:02 | Link #49 |
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In my Opinion,
I don't care how many episode they give to Us (The reader/watcher) *Well, I prefer the "No Season" Anime, which mean the one that keep loading new episode in the same season (cause, im tired of waiting the break) As long as they keep up the pace, and didn't skip any important scene from the story For Example, SAO got too many missing scene I Don't know why, but the scene that they cut is somehow important for the watchers, It does having a relation with the future story (I tho they will re-view the last arc for the scene that they cut) Another Example, They make the story as if needed to be fast paced I mean, it's not hurt to the normal pace one Another watchers ofc don't want the Anime they like to be ended that fast (Even the slow pace, they still didn't want that to come to an end) &Sound a bit selfish from me haha... &Well, that's just my opinion &Hope they will change their habbit about making so Short Episode (Fast pace) - Break - Short Episode (Fast Pace) - Break &It's better to make the slow one |
2013-06-30, 11:28 | Link #50 |
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I think it might a generation gap thing.
I was borne in the 80s (god I am old), so I grew up with super filler stuff like Doramon, Saint S, DBZ, Innu Yasha etc that has a unlimited length that takes 2 months to settle a simple fight. Goku vs whoever would GRRRR power up for 4 episodes, then settle it with a punch, then GRRRR again...for 4 episodes. Or things like 1-shot episodes that never advance the plot (Lum, Doramon). I think most people who complain everything is too short by begin their anime at least after 2000. Things like Witch Hunter Robin or fullmetal alchemist stopped with the filler crap. And I quit anime after 2005, so...
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2013-07-01, 08:50 | Link #51 | |
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This is more about late night animes where it seems the standard used to be 26 episodes 10-15 years ago but since then there's been a rise in the proportion of 13 episode shows.
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2013-07-01, 16:25 | Link #52 | |
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2013-07-01, 23:58 | Link #53 |
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I'm not sure just how much of a "fall" the empirical evidence supports, but that notwithstanding one of the issues has been the scheduling of talented animators, who are dwindling and busy. This is why you have more "split-cour" shows over the last few years -- these are shows that may have been 24-26 in the past, but now are two sets of 12-13, split by a break. The extra time means that you need less people to do the work. And, as a consequence, they can also release the DVDs/BDs for the show as two separate 6-7 disc batches, which avoids the "sticker shock" of 12-14-disc releases (even though it's actually the same).
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2013-07-02, 00:14 | Link #54 |
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We all know why that is too (:
But yeah I Just flat out refuse to watch new 10-13 episode series, unless they are of Madoka Magica/Kaiba caliber quality(or Level-E caliber comedies). Anything else is a huge waste of time. |
2013-07-03, 00:51 | Link #57 | |
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I can't recall any anime adaptations of Weekly Shounen Jump manga being 1 cour. They are usually 2 cour at the least.
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2013-07-03, 04:22 | Link #59 | |
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I actually wouldn't be surprised if Nisekoi joins that list with SHAFT doing it, I mean in between the about to air Monogatari 2 and Negima, you have a 6-7 year gap between these two cour series, and the Monogatari franchise is the king of the otaku aimed anime ones.
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*Uses a near 300 episode anime as an example why* /facepalm |
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