(CR) Vanishing Line: Garo

[kuromitsu]

I liked episode 2 more than 1, although I guess that's partly because there was less of the show swooning over its own main character's Manly Manliness. (Also, no floppy boobs, that's a plus.) Luke is also someone we've seen so many times before, but at least he's a walking collection of the kind of tropes that I find less annoying.

And the action direction was better... At least the camera kept focus? yay.

This show is really, really trying to be a macho '90s action anime, which actively works against my enjoyment of it, but I still kind of like it so I'll bravely persevere.

[PhoenixRising]

This week's episode was interesting. I like how Luke uses the rain to wash away people's memories, but I'm also not really fond of the episode's conclusion because of it too.

Luke and Sword's teamwork in this episode was cool too and I also kind of liked Luke's Madou tool gun.

[Stark700]

Episode 3 is out! I had fun watching this one.

We got focus on Gina, a woman that I thought was quite interesting. She's clever and seems very skilled at what she does. I got the femme fatale vibe from her character. I hope we find out more about her past though since she knows Sword already.

The horror this week was based on a living computer. I guess we'll see more modern type of Horrors from now since the setting.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Oh, another enjoyable episode. The music, the mafia, the seduction and the heist have some Cowboy Bebop fun vibe to it even though a bit dumbed down. And now we know why Gina is sexily portrayed in the ED with the lingerie. It's kind of her job .

Also, befriending Gina seem to cost you a lot: she'll hit you with her charged-up car and then slap you with her bar tab

That said, I really hope Nero is a recurring character even though the odds do not favor me. He's a mob lackey, but I think he still has some sense of virtue in him and he's pretty sharp too. Not to mention Gina seem to like him (as a boy-toy perhaps ).

[kuromitsu]

Hey guys, did you know Sword likes large boobs? He likes large boobs so much he thanks the gods whenever he sees them, lol so funny! No way this joke will ever get old! Just to ensure it won't, here's a girl with big boobs, also let's give her a crotch shot wait, two crotch shots, no, let's make it as many as we can get away with. And of course butt shots, nothing says "interesting female character" better than crotch and butt shots.

By the way, this was some of the dumbest infiltrations I've seen in anime, and the "you're not supposed to think too deep about it, it's just dumb fun" factor doesn't really help when I'm not actually having fun. Should I really think that Gina is so dumb she removes her disguise in the middle of a mission? (Really, what was the point of removing her wig?) And can't she cast some glamour or whatever on herself, or at least have a stash of less obviously conspicuous outfit lying around? Come to think of it, they just let her in without a background check? Villain boss who got to the top by murder and backstabbing doesn't even think twice when some random woman he's never seen before offers her a drink out of the blue? Come on, come ooooon. Then again, clearly the entire heist was built around the concept of "badass chick in a bikini and heels, emphasis on the 'bikini and heels' part".

So anyway Gina is another stereotype/walking collection of tropes, who spends the episode being as stereotypical as a character can possibly be, I don't think even Sword is such bad a case. Then again he's not spending episodes being quite shamelessly treated as an object for the viewers to ogle, so that probably helps. Note, show, if you're doing fanservice you might as well be equal opportunity about it, so how about Sword and Rook spending the next episode shirtless and chained together on a mission in a baby oil factory or something. ...Or at least we could have some girls with nicer boobs, really.

But I mean really, it's not like Seal of Flames was particularly revolutionary with its plot or its characters, or free of fanservice or whatever, but somehow it still managed to be less eyeroll-inducing than Vanishing Line. I guess people who enjoy this sort of thing, or are nostalgic for the sort of anime trends it slavishly follows, will love it. But personally I think it's a real pity - even if we ignore the boring, in-your-face fanservice, the whole show so far is just a pile of boring old stereotypes and frankly to me it stinks of sweat. I'm not expecting all of my shallow cartoon entertainment to be unique and intellectually stimulating, but with the way Vanishing Line has been so far, you could basically see the first two minutes of an episode and then predict with a 100% accuracy what's going to happen and how, down to the types of jokes and character banter. Hell, this time around even the action was boring! No amount of shiny animation can make up for unimaginative writing.

It seems the next episode will start the actual story, so I hope for some actual fun there... at the very least something that won't make me want to rolls my eyes quite as much as this episode did. I want to like this show, dammit, but it's not making my job easy.

[Kanon]

I don't get the problem with Gina's character. I won't deny she's a stereotype, but I don't think she's a bad one. She's a femme fatale and in no way an object or a trophy girl. She spent most of the episode kicking men's asses and was in control the entire time. The main character himself was played like a fiddle and gained little from his association with her (he got to kill a horror, but he also lost a lot of money and getting hit by a car as a greeting must not have felt nice). Her being in a bikini half the episode doesn't erase that.

Honestly, I don't think the show is going to change. To me, it's obvious it's targeting males that are nostalgic of action movies from the 80s-90s that were filled with testosterone, over the top action, and sexy women. It's definitely not everybody's cup of tea.

[xeviouses]

Huh, ep3 felt like watching a short 90's Arnold Schwarzenegger flick.

For a while there I thought Gina would be a makai priestess.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I don't get the problem with Gina's character. I won't deny she's a stereotype, but I don't think she's a bad one. She's a femme fatale and in no way an object or a trophy girl. She spent most of the episode kicking men's asses and was in control the entire time. The main character himself was played like a fiddle and gained little from his association with her (he got to kill a horror, but he also lost a lot of money and getting hit by a car as a greeting must not have felt nice). Her being in a bikini half the episode doesn't erase that.

Right. What a Strong Female Character indeed. No way an object nor designed to be objectified the way none of the guys are, and the MC clearly has tremendous respect for her as a person, as indicated by him immediately voicing his desire to see her boobs...

Originally Posted by Kanon

Honestly, I don't think the show is going to change. To me, it's obvious it's targeting males that are nostalgic of action movies from the 80s-90s that were filled with testosterone, over the top action, and sexy women. It's definitely not everybody's cup of tea.

Thing is, there's a way to do that and still be fun, so many anime prove it - and there's what this show is doing. I don't necessarily mind this genre myself, but this show has been, so far, mindnumbingly stupid (and not in a good way) and painfully derivative and uninventive, while also clearly being pretty full of itself. Now if course if that's your cup of tea more power to you, but... yeah.

(Funny that you should mention '80s action movies, though. <- satire, of course, but pretty spot-on )

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Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Right. What a Strong Female Character indeed. No way an object nor designed to be objectified the way none of the guys are, and the MC clearly has tremendous respect for her as a person, as indicated by him immediately voicing his desire to see her boobs...

Oh, so you're telling me an MC who is already established to adore boobs and enjoy watching them and being blatant (if not honest) about it suddenly isn't allowed to act like himself in front of a friend who is a beautiful woman with huge assets? Hah!

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

And yes, Gina is never meant to be feminist-friendly character in an action movie. You'd have more luck with Wonder Woman, I guess (but some people like James Cameron said otherwise).

Thing is, there's a way to do that and still be fun, so many anime prove it - and there's what this show is doing. I don't necessarily mind this genre myself, but this show has been, so far, mindnumbingly stupid (and not in a good way) and painfully derivative and uninventive, while also clearly being pretty full of itself. Now if course if that's your cup of tea more power to you, but... yeah.

(Funny that you should mention '80s action movies, though. <- satire, of course, but pretty spot-on )

I'd rather have a show being intentionally dumb fun 80s/90s flick aimed at male audience like VL rather than trying to be intelligent only to fail miserably (eg. Terror in Resonance). Of course, there will be a portion of audience that is "immune" to its charm like you. At this point, I'll just watch how much salt you can throw at this show until its final episode (or maybe even after it's finished) coz it's been somewhat entertaining. Also, aren't you one of those people who adore/enjoy shows like Sengoku Night Blood where it features pretty boys slapped with cute animal ears & tails by the makers to pander to its female audience and Touken Ranbu where you basically have male version of Kantai Collection and both shows have stereotypical male characters that anime fangirls like?

[Blueknight78]

ok, looks like somoene is watching the wrong anime if you not fan of boobs and that things could be better try other shows, or even stop animes at last majority of shounen and seinen animes which are full of boobs and please for god sake not come with "feminism" and political righterouss really please, i'm not a sexist and i support equality regards gender or race or color or whatever but "equality don't means" saying what others can or not watch or like, or force your vision over others, some shows are dumb some show are feminist, some shows are sexist and that is how they are because they have they "target audience", when i go to a show which i clear don't like and just keep complain i prefer to drop like i do with 80 to 90% of the dumb harems which i normally ending hating but instead of watch just to keep complain i drop and ignore that show and look for something for my taste, it's just a opnion ofcourse and advice, if you want stay watching ok fine, but know what you are in and the show not gonna change just because of it, while it not was for you it was for someone else.

so far this show is very funny very "non most of stupid shounen or seinen cliches, like characters looking like 12 years old which loli girls with huge boobs we have more "western style" with adult characters badass mc, badass girls blood monsters and some funny fanservice here and there, that is this show.

[kuromitsu]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Oh, so you're telling me an MC who is already established to adore boobs and enjoy watching them and being blatant (if not honest) about it suddenly isn't allowed to act like himself in front of a friend who is a beautiful woman with huge assets? Hah!

Oh, he's allowed to, I'm not the one writing him. But I'm also allowed to have an opinion on it (and on the writer/creative staff in general).

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I'd rather have a show being intentionally dumb fun 80s/90s flick aimed at male audience like VL rather than trying to be intelligent only to fail miserably (eg. Terror in Resonance).

If only there was a middle road between boringly dumb sexist crap, and self-absorbed pretentious sexist crap. Even if "aimed a male audience" (lol, okay). If only it was possible. <- sarcasm, if anyone wonders

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Of course, there will be a portion of audience that is "immune" to its charm like you. At this point, I'll just watch how much salt you can throw at this show until its final episode (or maybe even after it's finished) coz it's been somewhat entertaining.

Aww, so cute. No hard feelings if I let you down, though.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Also, aren't you one of those people who adore/enjoy shows like Sengoku Night Blood where it features pretty boys slapped with cute animal ears & tails by the makers to pander to its female audience and Touken Ranbu where you basically have male version of Kantai Collection and both shows have stereotypical male characters that anime fangirls like?

And your point is? You don't see me complaining in the KanColle/Idolmaster/etc. threads, or the threads for any of the shows that have "my little sister" and "different world" and so on in their title, or any of the harem shows. I don't like them but I don't think there's anything wrong with them, they're what they are, they have an audience they're for, and that's fine. And it's not like I hate fanservice as such. (You'd be probably very surprised to know what other stuff I like...)

Vanishing Line, however, is a very high profile show with higher ambitions and a much wider audience that it's trying to reach, so I'm much less willing to cut it some slack. (And I do actually want to like it which makes my disappointment worse.) But for that matter you wouldn't see me complaining so much about it if there was more to it than boring old stereotypes being regurgitated in the most unimaginative ways possible, without any particular sense of style or flair, or any actual thought put into it, by people clearly trying very hard to be cool but failing for the most part. Alas. (Motorbike Zaruba is cool, though! And maybe Rook will get an action scene again, maybe they'll even figure out how to actually make him and Sword work as a team and have them do combos and whatnot? Or am I expecting too much?) I guess maybe it's fresh and exciting if this is the first show of its kind that you see, but as someone who remembers way too many shows of this kind... nah.

I'll say this, though, I would enjoy the characters in VL a lot more if they had cute animal ears and tails.

[PhoenixRising]

Originally Posted by xeviouses

Huh, ep3 felt like watching a short 90's Arnold Schwarzenegger flick.

For a while there I thought Gina would be a makai priestess.

Well, she did use a gun with madou bullets during the battle scene with the computer, so I'm guessing they are modernizing their weaponry. I wonder if her car is a madou tool too.

Episode 3 Impressions

Spoiler:

• It was a good episode overall and I liked Gina, she kicked a lot of butt.
• I have a feeling that Nero will become more than a one episode character, however, I just don't know if he will become a Makai Knight or a Makai Priest yet.
• I'm looking forward to seeing Sophie's past next week.
• I also noticed that Sophie's eyecatch got updated with the sister and waitress too.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Oh, he's allowed to, I'm not the one writing him. But I'm also allowed to have an opinion on it (and on the writer/creative staff in general).

Nice strawman there. I never said that you can’t have opinion. Look at your post that I quoted. Your comment heavily implied that Sword shouldn’t have the desire to see Gina’s boobs (which will be out of character for him) just to serve some agenda. If the show already lost points in tasteful fanservice then at least let it have some points in consistency with the MC.

And frankly, with the way Gina treated Sword (hitting him with a powered car as greetings, using him for her agenda, and bringing the tab hammer on him for no reason), I believe she deserves worse 'friendly' treatment from him than mere boob flirting. Regardless of gender, she doesn’t really treat Sword well. Sword is actually being soft on her. Even Luke who hates Sword didn't treat him as bad as Gina did .

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

If only there was a middle road between boringly dumb sexist crap, and self-absorbed pretentious sexist crap. Even if "aimed a male audience" (lol, okay). If only it was possible. <- sarcasm, if anyone wonders

Most of the 80s & 90s dumb action flicks are stupid and sexist by definition of the current politically-correct setting. Even James Cameron’s Terminator movies have some sexism in them. So, how can you have VL that aimed to be like them not dumb and sexist? That’s like asking a slasher movie not to portray violence toward women. In that case, the joke is on the complainer. As for being boring, that depends on each individual. And since you said you don't mind this genre, please name a bunch of 80s/90s action flicks that inspired VL that you genuinely like, for reference.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Aww, so cute. No hard feelings if I let you down, though.

Nope. Whether or not you're complaining in this thread, I’ll have fun with it either way .

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

And your point is? You don't see me complaining in the KanColle/Idolmaster/etc. threads, or the threads for any of the shows that have "my little sister" and "different world" and so on in their title, or any of the harem shows. I don't like them but I don't think there's anything wrong with them, they're what they are, they have an audience they're for, and that's fine. And it's not like I hate fanservice as such. (You'd be probably very surprised to know what other stuff I like...)

My point? Your double standard, that's my point.

You posted a bunch of comments on Sengoku Night Blood (SNB) thread on how you adore those pretty-boy characters with animal ears and tails that pander to female audience in that show yet you’re shitting on attractive female characters in this VL show and their portrayals that’s designed to appeal to male audience. Oh, and you don't see me constantly bashing SNB, Idolmaster, Kancolle and other mindless harem & reverse-harem shows in their own threads despite my dislike of them (I've never even posted anything in some of those threads). And yet here you are shitting on VL in the show's thread for its pandering female characters while you're fangirling over the pandering male characters in the SNB thread. Look who applied double standard now (if not being a hypocrite). But by all means, keep your opinions coming.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Vanishing Line, however, is a very high profile show with higher ambitions and a much wider audience that it's trying to reach, so I'm much less willing to cut it some slack. (And I do actually want to like it which makes my disappointment worse.) But for that matter you wouldn't see me complaining so much about it if there was more to it than boring old stereotypes being regurgitated in the most unimaginative ways possible, without any particular sense of style or flair, or any actual thought put into it, by people clearly trying very hard to be cool but failing for the most part. Alas. (Motorbike Zaruba is cool, though! And maybe Rook will get an action scene again, maybe they'll even figure out how to actually make him and Sword work as a team and have them do combos and whatnot? Or am I expecting too much?) I guess maybe it's fresh and exciting if this is the first show of its kind that you see, but as someone who remembers way too many shows of this kind... nah.

So high profile that they were reluctant to show that this is supposed to be another Garo anime during its early promos and advertisement? I think this anime is slightly more niche than what you gave it credit for.

And you also brought the sexism card which can also be applied easily to countless harem & reverse harem shows out there that treat the male & female characters horribly writing-wise. How come you're okay with sexism in harem titles (remember the super popular Ranma?) yet you bashed this one? Heck, I found Kagome abusing Inuyasha a lot more problematic than Gina's treatment here.

And is that a low-blow insult that I bolded? Are you saying that only amateurs can enjoy this show? Do you think I'm an amateur and VL is the first throwback show that I've seen? If so, think again.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

I'll say this, though, I would enjoy the characters in VL a lot more if they had cute animal ears and tails.

So you're okay with tacky, ridiculous and nonsensical elements as long as its pandering to you? *shiver* Yeah, that says a lot about your earlier complaints.

[kuromitsu]

Man, you sure care a lot about my obviously misguided and wrong opinions about this supposedly "intentionally dumb" show. I know you're mostly just trolling, but you're coming across as I dunno, rather obsessed?

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Nice strawman there. I never said that you can’t have opinion. Look at your post that I quoted. Your comment heavily implied that Sword shouldn’t have the desire to see Gina’s boobs (which will be out of character for him) just to serve some agenda. If the show already lost points in tasteful fanservice then at least let it have some points in consistency with the MC.

Oh come on. You never said I can't have an opinion, you merely heavily implied that my opinion is wrong. For the record though, my opinion is that this whole obsession with boobs joke is lame as hell, the "lemme see your boobs" "lol flying squirrel in your face" is some of the lamest character "banter" ever, and also like consistency all you want it makes Sword come across as a gigantic douchebag, which was probably not the writers' intention. If you're such a stickler for consistency you might want the story to stay consistent in portraying the main character as the reasonably decent person he's supposed to be?

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

And frankly, with the way Gina treated Sword (hitting him with a powered car as greetings, using him for her agenda, and bringing the tab hammer on him for no reason), I believe she deserves worse 'friendly' treatment from him than mere boob flirting. Regardless of gender, she doesn’t really treat Sword well. Sword is actually being soft on her. Even Luke who hates Sword didn't treat him as bad as Gina did .

Poor Sword, he treats her as if she existed for his own sexual gratification and had an obligation to provide him with it, and then she's mean to him. What a bitch, amirite? (I mean if we're taking this more seriously than intended then let's go all the way.)

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Most of the 80s & 90s dumb action flicks

You do realize this show is literally a copy paste of '80s&'90s action anime/manga tropes, right? Not American movies, not even Japanese action movies from the same period (or earlier). This is basically "Garo: I Watched Too Much Cobra In My Formative Years", and frankly, I'd much rather watch/read Cobra which, let's be fair, wasn't any more intelligent but it was, at the very least, genuinely fun. Or Golgo 13 which is also very dumb but at least hilariously so. (Or even some incarnations of Devilman, and then on the less dumb front there's Masamune Shirow when he was still doing actual manga worth reading...)

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Nope. Whether or not you're complaining in this thread, I’ll have fun with it either way .

So you just want to troll and be a douchebag. Gotcha. But still it's cute that you care so much about me in particular that you keep coming after me in all threads where our paths cross. You even read my posts in threads for shows you apparently don't care about!

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

My point? Your double standard, that's my point. ...

You do excel at selective reading, don't you? I'd like to draw your attention to the part where I mentioned that I don't have anything against all those shows that, by your logic, I should be frothing against, and also where I mentioned that I've no problem with fanservice. Indeed, even with this franchise, I watched the previous two incarnations without making a single comment any fanservicey outfits or scenes, or the antics of characters like German, because I happened to like them. Also, some of my favorite manga ever feature their main female characters in an almost constant state of undress/fanservicey outfits, in pages where you can cut the male gaze with a knife. It's just that the way those manga do this is a lot more stylish, the characters are better, etc. The way VL has been doing its fanservice so far is another symptom of the show being crude, boring and lacking imagination and flair, thinking that shiny animation and playing Lego with well-worn tropes can substitute for actual style and interesting aspects. If you don't agree, then you don't. And this is pretty much all I have to say about this.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

You posted a bunch of comments on Sengoku Night Blood (SNB)

That you're aware of because...? Are you seriously going after me in other threads just so you can collect stuff to throw back at me in an attempt to somehow take me down because we don't agree about Japanese cartoons that we discuss on the internet? Stalker much?

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

So high profile that they were reluctant to show that this is supposed to be another Garo anime during its early promos and advertisement? I think this anime is slightly more niche than what you gave it credit for.

You mean the show MAPPA is treating as its current flagship that is getting a simuldub? Much niche, wow.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

And is that a low-blow insult that I bolded? Are you saying that only amateurs can enjoy this show? Do you think I'm an amateur and VL is the first throwback show that I've seen? If so, think again.

I think it says a lot that you actually thought that was supposed to be an insult at you personally. It wasn't, actually, but at this point I wish it had been.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

So you're okay with tacky, ridiculous and nonsensical elements as long as its pandering to you? *shiver* Yeah, that says a lot about your earlier complaints.

Wow, man. Even for a troll you're reaching new levels of pathetic. I suppose I'll just peace out before I get any more of that on me.

[foxbox360]

Garo 90's edition

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Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Man, you sure care a lot about my obviously misguided and wrong opinions about this supposedly "intentionally dumb" show. I know you're mostly just trolling, but you're coming across as I dunno, rather obsessed?

Like I said, I’m having fun with your comments. It makes the thread livelier. And yes, sometimes I care about entertainment. That's a human thing to do. That said, if VL is going into bad direction (unintentionally), I'll have no problem calling it out too.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Oh come on. You never said I can't have an opinion, you merely heavily implied that my opinion is wrong. For the record though, my opinion is that this whole obsession with boobs joke is lame as hell, the "lemme see your boobs" "lol flying squirrel in your face" is some of the lamest character "banter" ever, and also like consistency all you want it makes Sword come across as a gigantic douchebag, which was probably not the writers' intention. If you're such a stickler for consistency you might want the story to stay consistent in portraying the main character as the reasonably decent person he's supposed to be?

That's fine, you can hate the boob jokes and talk about how lame it is. That said, Sword likes big boobs and is open about it. That’s one trait of his (among others). To make it consistent, the writer need to keep him that way unless there’s some event that changes his taste & attitude yet there’s none of that this episode. I don't want him to be inconsistent just to fulfill a quota of "decency".

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Poor Sword, he treats her as if she existed for his own sexual gratification and had an obligation to provide him with it, and then she's mean to him. What a bitch, amirite? (I mean if we're taking this more seriously than intended then let's go all the way.)

Gee, it’s not like Gina was the first one to hit Sword with her car without any sort of provocation. How evil of Sword to have verbal T&A flirtatious fun with her afterwards.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

You do realize this show is literally a copy paste of '80s &'90s action anime/manga tropes, right? Not American movies, not even Japanese action movies from the same period (or earlier). This is basically "Garo: I Watched Too Much Cobra In My Formative Years", and frankly, I'd much rather watch/read Cobra which, let's be fair, wasn't any more intelligent but it was, at the very least, genuinely fun. Or Golgo 13 which is also very dumb but at least hilariously so. (Or even some incarnations of Devilman, and then on the less dumb front there's Masamune Shirow when he was still doing actual manga worth reading...)

It’s a bit of both, actually. VL was influenced by both old Hollywood and Japanese cinema & anime. Cobra is fun but the plots are too simplistic yet ridiculous at the same time (even Cobra’s arm cannon is inconsistently depicted). This is where Garo world’s established rules come in to make more interesting stories. And Cobra is set in Star Wars-esque outer space, not Earthbound (Cobra himself resembles Han Solo a lot). Speaking of Golgo 13 (eg. the movies), it contains more sex and nudity than most hentai titles in the same decade (and even hentai titles in the next decade). Many female characters were treated even worse in that anime franchise. They were mostly just there as meats for Duke to pork and sometimes kill afterwards. The series is also very episodic in nature. If you care about female characters that much, you should be grateful that VL does not attempt to copy Golgo 13’s formula that much. And Devilman? Well, I can confidently say that VL is more stylish and cooler than Devilman so far (especially compared to the 70s version of the ‘green Devilman’). So no, VL is not just copy pasted of 80s/90s anime. It shares their spirit mixed with 80s/90s action movies. Any other comparison you want to make for me to address?

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

So you just want to troll and be a douchebag. Gotcha. But still it's cute that you care so much about me in particular that you keep coming after me in all threads where our paths cross. You even read my posts in threads for shows you apparently don't care about!

Calling me names now? How thoughtful of you. And are you just gonna label someone who confront and reply you based on your comments a troll? How easy .

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

You do excel at selective reading, don't you? I'd like to draw your attention to the part where I mentioned that I don't have anything against all those shows that, by your logic, I should be frothing against, and also where I mentioned that I've no problem with fanservice. Indeed, even with this franchise, I watched the previous two incarnations without making a single comment any fanservicey outfits or scenes, or the antics of characters like German, because I happened to like them. Also, some of my favorite manga ever feature their main female characters in an almost constant state of undress/fanservicey outfits, in pages where you can cut the male gaze with a knife. It's just that the way those manga do this is a lot more stylish, the characters are better, etc. The way VL has been doing its fanservice so far is another symptom of the show being crude, boring and lacking imagination and flair, thinking that shiny animation and playing Lego with well-worn tropes can substitute for actual style and interesting aspects. If you don't agree, then you don't. And this is pretty much all I have to say about this.

Selective reading? I quoted your entire comments and reply on them, didn't I?

And yet you accuse this show of sexism and made a big deal on how boring it executed the fanservice while at the same time you have nothing against harem/reverse-harem shows out there with worse sexism and more boring in-your-face fanservice (to either male & female charas) than what’s portrayed here.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

That you're aware of because...? Are you seriously going after me in other threads just so you can collect stuff to throw back at me in an attempt to somehow take me down because we don't agree about Japanese cartoons that we discuss on the internet? Stalker much?

Eh, I don't think you're worth my time that much. Here's the thing: for every new show each season (though I do miss some titles sometimes), I always check the discussion threads during the first three episodes or so to see what people say about the show and then decide for myself whether or not the show worth my continued watch. So, I happened to check SNB thread to read what others have to say. Your posts pretty much dominated that thread and I happened to vaguely remembered it. The funny thing is, your complaints about Gina in this episode was what jump-started my memory of your comments in SNB thread. Normally, I’d just gradually forget about it without any problem .

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

You mean the show MAPPA is treating as its current flagship that is getting a simuldub? Much niche, wow.

Flagship? I don’t know about that. I think MAPPA’s flagship this season is Inuyashiki since it’s from the creator of the popular Gantz franchise. And just because it’s being simuldub doesn’t mean wider exposure. IIRC the new Cyborg 009 anime also got the dub yet nobody seem to care and that’s another Japanese superhero franchise.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

I think it says a lot that you actually thought that was supposed to be an insult at you personally. It wasn't, actually, but at this point I wish it had been.

Did you miss the “if so” and multiple question marks in my comment that you quoted? It’s more of a question than accusation. I was wondering since you were talking to me at that moment. Wanting a confirmation is just common sense.

Originally Posted by kuromitsu

Wow, man. Even for a troll you're reaching new levels of pathetic. I suppose I'll just peace out before I get any more of that on me.

Why? For me, animal ears and tails that’s added to the characters just for the heck of it and pandering are tacky, ridiculous and nonsensical. That’s my opinion, just like yours.

[Tenzen12]

OH NO! We have fan service in Garo now! That never happened before! Oh wait...

In all seriousness Gina is smart, strong and isn't afraid use her strongest weapons. If she willing let other objectify her, I am fine with it. After all anyone who get fooled by her appearance will end crying, dead... or broke.

Hmmm. Maybe it's sexist show after all it threat males as easily manipulated dumb muscles. Yeah! It's feministic male hating show! No doubt about that.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

OH NO! We have fan service in Garo now! That never happened before! Oh wait...

In all seriousness Gina is smart, strong and isn't afraid use her strongest weapons. If she willing let other objectify her, I am fine with it. After all anyone who get fooled by her appearance will end crying, dead... or broke.

Hmmm. Maybe it's sexist show after all it threat males as easily manipulated dumb muscles. Yeah! It's feministic male hating show! No doubt about that.

So, Gina is in the same image a Faye from Cowboy Bebop. It doesn't make the show "male-hating". In fact, if you looked at the roster, you have similar types that were tweaked for Garo. Luke = Spike, Sword = Jet, Gina = Faye, Sophie = Ed.

[Galaxian]

So much discourse... And here I am just wishing that the fight scenes weren't so brief and shaky because the rest of the animation is pretty good and it's nice to have an anime Garo that is in full control of his power from the start and doesn't make us go through an angst-filled first half...

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Galaxian

So much discourse... And here I am just wishing that the fight scenes weren't so brief and shaky because the rest of the animation is pretty good and it's nice to have an anime Garo that is in full control of his power from the start and doesn't make us go through an angst-filled first half...

The budget and effort is still well spent on all the Gina action though coz, let's face it, she is the star of this episode and the showrunners know it well. Also, the horror is so lame that it deserves a quick impression-less death which I'm sure is intentional .