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Old 2017-12-27, 03:32   Link #41
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This fake news issue seems to stem from in principle the problem that politicians can just say whatever whenever with out any legal reprecusions.

This is fine and all for the purpose of general politics but it seems Trump has figured out that since he can say whatever and he (along with his trumptards) are in a position of power, authority and credibility (at least credibility for the time being), then why not just turn white to black and black to white as it suits them? There's no procedure after all for politicians turning even science on it's head, even if like in the video the evidence couldn't be any more damning. This is very tricky to solve since, while it's solvable, it's also not a solution anyone wants as it goes against the democratic process. I have to say Trump is well and truly testing the US's checks & balances with regard to retards in office, and so far seems those checks and balances are failing. Wouldn't surprise me if, before leaving office, he creates "The Holy Island of Trumpkistan" and then sends "aid" in the form of however much money he can squeze out of the US as president by the time he leaves office; what exactly would anyone be able to do about it?
I think an important aspect of the Democratic process is that it assumes that anyone ever elected will rule in at least somewhat good taste. Trump is just a piece of sh*t who has an ego as big as his hands are tiny.

If this country doesn't devolve into civil war because of this bullsh*t then I think that it is imperative that every single congressman helping Trump right now be actively punished to an extreme severe degree no matter what the consequences of making that happen as soon as we get a chance to fix all of the changes done to the government and establish new agencies and new checks and balances on the democratic process. We need to punish the people behind all of this so hard so that no one would ever allow their greed to be abused to such a degree. We should allow people in power to willingly break laws just to enforce punishments on everyone involved because half of the country should learn that they should be punished for being so damn irresponsible about everything to follow Trump regardless of what he does. It's absolutely disgusting to the point where the people who throw their undying support around him deserve to be punished and brought back to reality and broken out of their f*cking fervor.

I understand that it's bad to be polarized, but what really has to happen is that we need to figure out ways around media manipulation. Fox news needs to be punished somehow, but I doubt that would happen. Everyone's just pursuing their own interests, and small people can't do anything about it since people just watch the media and get imaginary villains to get angry about. No one's ever going to fix any problems until people are literally forced to see both sides of the issue.
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Old 2017-12-27, 06:53   Link #42
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We need to punish the people behind all of this so hard so that no one would ever allow their greed to be abused to such a degree.
Doesn't really matter how hard people are punished, it'll inevitably happen again. Not like this is the first time in history this kind of thing has happened with those in charge.

I do agree something has to be done about actual fake news, though. Poor reporting is one thing (which is what Republicans rally against), but actual fake news the likes of Fox does while smugly proclaiming that it's just an entertainment show needs to stop.
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Old 2017-12-27, 09:53   Link #43
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I think an important aspect of the Democratic process is that it assumes that anyone ever elected will rule in at least somewhat good taste. Trump is just a piece of sh*t who has an ego as big as his hands are tiny.

If this country doesn't devolve into civil war because of this bullsh*t then I think that it is imperative that every single congressman helping Trump right now be actively punished to an extreme severe degree no matter what the consequences of making that happen as soon as we get a chance to fix all of the changes done to the government and establish new agencies and new checks and balances on the democratic process. We need to punish the people behind all of this so hard so that no one would ever allow their greed to be abused to such a degree. We should allow people in power to willingly break laws just to enforce punishments on everyone involved because half of the country should learn that they should be punished for being so damn irresponsible about everything to follow Trump regardless of what he does. It's absolutely disgusting to the point where the people who throw their undying support around him deserve to be punished and brought back to reality and broken out of their f*cking fervor.

I understand that it's bad to be polarized, but what really has to happen is that we need to figure out ways around media manipulation. Fox news needs to be punished somehow, but I doubt that would happen. Everyone's just pursuing their own interests, and small people can't do anything about it since people just watch the media and get imaginary villains to get angry about. No one's ever going to fix any problems until people are literally forced to see both sides of the issue.
Aren't you describing the Terran Federation from Starship Troopers(The novel, not the movie since the Federation in the movies are Fascists)? IIRC the government has something called Federal Services where civilians do government work like joining the military, construction, medical work, teaching etc in exchange where once a person finishes their Federal Service, they are granted Citizenship with certain benefits and the right to be elected in government positions by other Citizens and not civilians. The reason for this are:

1. You have to earn the right to get a higher position,
2. it teaches the person humility and makes them realize what it means to be in a position of power(also the higher your position, the more worse is your punishment),
3. it prevent people who are lazy, corrupt or are in it for themselves and not the state to gain power.

Thus if Mr Trump was ever in the Terran Federation universe, he may still be a billionaire/millionaire civilian, but he will never be be elected in a government position since he didn't do Federal Services(since all the things he did in our world makes him ineligible for Citizenship).
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Old 2017-12-27, 11:48   Link #44
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Aren't you describing the Terran Federation from Starship Troopers(The novel, not the movie since the Federation in the movies are Fascists)? IIRC the government has something called Federal Services where civilians do government work like joining the military, construction, medical work, teaching etc in exchange where once a person finishes their Federal Service, they are granted Citizenship with certain benefits and the right to be elected in government positions by other Citizens and not civilians. The reason for this are:

1. You have to earn the right to get a higher position,
2. it teaches the person humility and makes them realize what it means to be in a position of power(also the higher your position, the more worse is your punishment),
3. it prevent people who are lazy, corrupt or are in it for themselves and not the state to gain power.

Thus if Mr Trump was ever in the Terran Federation universe, he may still be a billionaire/millionaire civilian, but he will never be be elected in a government position since he didn't do Federal Services(since all the things he did in our world makes him ineligible for Citizenship).
That sounds like a good system to me. We as a society should promote that kind of Federal Service either towards the end of high school or towards the end of what would be an undergraduate degree if one wants to become a citizen. Like you pointed out, it teaches humility as well as a greater sense of responsibility. It sure throws back to the system that existed in Ancient Athens where (male) voters had to serve in the military for a while before they become elligible to vote as full-fledged citizens, but it still makes sense if we want to avoid what happened with Trump.

I'm all for dumping anyone who is lazy, corrupt, or in for him/herself out of political circles. That would be a good way to get rid of politicians who never had any sense of what it means to serve constituents.

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Old 2017-12-28, 00:30   Link #45
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here a news to make the "supreme leader trump" really happy and finally get the "love" his diservers:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/27/po...ing/index.html
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Israel plans a Trump rail station as Trump-naming frenzy sweeps country


and a "news to make him angry "while israel bows down love trump, looks like in US someone "else" still more loved tham him.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...an-man-in-poll
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Obama beats Trump again as most admired American man in poll
Poor trump the more he's trying to erase obama existence from US the less the things works as he want, if US was isral instead of US maybe he could be true happy being worshiped as he want.

Even the "hated hilary is more popular than trump woman and a lot popular while trump "woman" was in the last , looks like the orange man maybe need a new "wife" cuz his currently one is not really popular as he need

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Old 2017-12-28, 05:08   Link #46
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Are these the polls the same as those with 90% chance of Hillary winning elections?
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Old 2017-12-28, 06:45   Link #47
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Are these the polls the same as those with 90% chance of Hillary winning elections?
No, these are polls that don't have to worry about whether they follow archaic election rules whereby the national opinion doesn't matter. They're just polls of the national opinion, where each person's opinion is equal to everyone else's, and someone in Montana's opinion isn't worth 3x as much as someone in California.

Also, get over Hillary already. You Trump supporters are like spurned lovers with her.
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Old 2017-12-28, 12:11   Link #48
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No, these are polls that don't have to worry about whether they follow archaic election rules
The rules are fine

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whereby the national opinion doesn't matter
USA is too vast to rely on the national opinion anyway

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They're just polls of the national opinion, where each person's opinion is equal to everyone else's, and someone in Montana's opinion isn't worth 3x as much as someone in California.
As if California's population is not ~40 times bigger than Montana's

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Also, get over Hillary already. You Trump supporters are like spurned lovers with her.
Because it was so spectacular (hillarious I would say ) that it will be remembered for a long time. Well at least till the next election. Or maybe a year more. Who knows
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Old 2017-12-28, 12:27   Link #49
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The rules are fine


USA is too vast to rely on the national opinion anyway


As if California's population is not ~40 times bigger than Montana's


Because it was so spectacular (hillarious I would say ) that it will be remembered for a long time. Well at least till the next election. Or maybe a year more. Who knows
remember the reason trump won was due to "the rules" not due to "popular vote where he does lost by 3 millions, as long US have a weird election system still possible for someone won despistes he was supposed to lose since the majority of votes was in favor of another candidate, trump not was the first one to won by not having the "majority" of votes and as long the system is not changed he not gonna be the "last one", in the end what is matter is the "school" not the popular vote.
trump approval rates is the perfect exemple of how accuracy is that polls toward him
http://news.gallup.com/poll/201617/g...-approval.aspx
them look at obama approval during his first year
http://news.gallup.com/poll/113980/g...tm_medium=copy

while trump is strugling to get on 40% obama was easy at 52%, that show the gap between obama and trump and make sense obama still beingmore "loved than trump".
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Old 2017-12-28, 12:53   Link #50
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The rules are fine
Says the same guy who would call it the exact same and worse if Trump had lost. The hypocrisy is strong as always with the republicans.

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USA is too vast to rely on the national opinion anyway
Welcome to statistics.

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As if California's population is not ~40 times bigger than Montana's
That matters nothing for this poll.

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Because it was so spectacular (hillarious I would say ) that it will be remembered for a long time. Well at least till the next election. Or maybe a year more. Who knows
Rep A: What should we talk about today?
Rep B: Hillary Clinton lost the election!!!
Rep A: That was a year ago. Did our party not achieve anything in the 1~year since then?
Rep B: We passed the tax bill!!!
Rep A: And it is extremely unpopular since it only benefits the richest. Anything positive?
Rep B: We did so many things!!! Better than every previous legislation!!!
Rep A: Like what?
Rep B: ...
Rep A: ...
Rep B: Hillary Clinton sucks!!!

Daily conversation between republicans.
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Says the same guy who would call it the exact same and worse if Trump had lost. The hypocrisy is strong as always with the republicans.
Guess who's talking about hypocrisy. I would say republicans are more honest to themselves. They are not trying to hide their own opinion by the words like "progressive", "I am the smartest" and so on. Democrats went from smug to tears

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That matters nothing for this poll.
It is. I assume in California - due to bigger population - people can bring more votes for something. It's a basic logic no?


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Rep A: What should we talk about today?
Rep B: Hillary Clinton lost the election!!!
Rep A: That was a year ago. Did our party not achieve anything in the 1~year since then?
The aftermath still there and it's fun.

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Rep B: We passed the tax bill!!!
Rep A: And it is extremely unpopular since it only benefits the richest. Anything positive?
I wouldn't call it extremely unpopular though

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Rep B: We did so many things!!! Better than every previous legislation!!!
Rep A: Like what?
Rep B: ...
Rep A: ...
Rep B: Hillary Clinton sucks!!!

Daily conversation between republicans.
It's been a year, what would you expect? I would add that Trump caused a butthurt for tons of muslims due to Jerusalem decision (though it was not much but effect was spectacular) whahaha

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while trump is strugling to get on 40% obama was easy at 52%, that show the gap between obama and trump and make sense obama still beingmore "loved than trump".
It makes no sense to compare it. This election was special and he started with low % from the very beginning unlike any previous president anyway. The flows are similar to other presidents though.
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It makes no sense to compare it. This election was special and he started with low % from the very beginning unlike any previous president anyway. The flows are similar to other presidents though.
special on what????
here bush
http://news.gallup.com/poll/116500/p...orge-bush.aspx

he started much better tham both trump and obama and have a much better first year only on his second term which his popularity started to fall, again while trump still not exactly the worst popularity he is the one being more "stable" when comes to "bad", but indeed we only can know how things gonna end after 2018, after the senate vote, if the "decrease" in republicans position keep happening(like happened in the last 2 elections) and GOP lose the majority of congress then we can see trump presidence ending in 2018 at best 2019, if they manage to keep enough to not allow that happening and someone find a way to "lock trump hands and mouth to not allow he "trolls" on twitter" then maybe his popularity can get better, but as long trump keep "sabotage himself with all his bigotris and stupid then gonna be really hard see trump reach more tham 40% and keep being the president more "stable as being the less popular", cuz others which where much less popular tham him at last managed to hold at 50% for sometimes before things goes bad.

Here overal American presidents
http://news.gallup.com/interactives/...campaign=tiles

as we see overal trump is the one "outside the curve", where most of the presidents have a good start and only later get bad while trump started "near bad" and instead of improve just fall down and get stable around he "bad zone", he is te only one "stable on the bad zone, ofcourse we are talking about just first year, we need to see until the end if trump manage to pull some miracle to improve his "rates".
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Guess who's talking about hypocrisy. I would say republicans are more honest to themselves. They are not trying to hide their own opinion by the words like "progressive", "I am the smartest" and so on. From smug to tears
Just looking at the republican arguments for the most recent topic (the tax bill) proves otherwise.

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It is. I assume in California - due to bigger population - people can bring more votes for something. It's a basic logic no?
That would only matter if Californian votes were weighed more than others which is not the case for this poll.

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The aftermath still there and it's fun.
That's not an achievement.

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I wouldn't call it extremely unpopular though
The abysmal approval rating (33%) suggests otherwise.

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It's been a year, what would you expect?
I'd expect more than one (1) passed legislation.

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I would add that Trump caused a butthurt for tons of muslims due to Jerusalem decision (though it was not much but effect was spectacular) whahaha
Undermining peace negotiations and causing violent protest resulting in several dead is so funny.

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It makes no sense to compare it. This election was special and he started with low % from the very beginning unlike any previous president anyway. The flows are similar to other presidents though.
Nonsense. Trump was elected like every other president before him. His low approval ratings are his own fault. What flows are you even talking about and how are they similar?
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Old 2017-12-28, 13:49   Link #54
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all Trump base cares nowadays is "triggering" leftists

I mean look at net neutrality
about a year ago they were in FAVOR of net neutrality
but then they changed their minds because "leftist" were rallying against it
So they changed tones and also banned people who went "wait, what! Net neutrality is good fam! from their community the process

It's like how Trump's modus operandi is to undo everything Obama has signed into a bill
They operate on spite.

Honestly my only expectation for Trump base is for them to at least hold Trump to his anti war platform
but I get the impression that Trump wants a war with North Korea and Iran
preferably at the same time!

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Triggering leftists have become a literal meme because their tendency to blame everything and anything on someone else has reached the pinnacle of hypocrisy. After decades of being told that everything on the right is racist, that this country is soaked in “institutional racism,” “structural racism” and “subconscious racism,” many Americans have become numb to such allegations. Likewise, many are sick of the condescending, nonsense term “white privilege,” which is generally cited by college-educated white liberals to affirm their own moral superiority over the conservative other.

This is also part of a clear pattern in which the left uses wildly dishonest language to describe Trump. I can’t help but notice the progression over the last year; running the rounds from Trump is a fascist, to a traitor, and now a white supremacist. That such irresponsible accusations have been echoed and amplified by the mainstream press has only proven to honest observers that this amounts to political foul play.

The left understands the depth of irrational hatred for this president, and are exploiting it. The right understands that it is impossible to have a meaningful discussion at this point. Perhaps if many of the politically motivated liberals would talk to their opponents, and not down to them; a more open discussion would unfold.
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Triggering leftists have become a literal meme because their tendency to blame everything and anything on someone else has reached the pinnacle of hypocrisy. After decades of being told that everything on the right is racist, that this country is soaked in “institutional racism,” “structural racism” and “subconscious racism,” many Americans have become numb to such allegations. Likewise, many are sick of the condescending, nonsense term “white privilege,” which is generally cited by college-educated white liberals to affirm their own moral superiority over the conservative other.

This is also part of a clear pattern in which the left uses wildly dishonest language to describe Trump. I can’t help but notice the progression over the last year; running the rounds from Trump is a fascist, to a traitor, and now a white supremacist. That such irresponsible accusations have been echoed and amplified by the mainstream press has only proven to honest observers that this amounts to political foul play.

The left understands the depth of irrational hatred for this president, and are exploiting it. The right understands that it is impossible to have a meaningful discussion at this point. Perhaps if many of the politically motivated liberals would talk to their opponents, and not down to them; a more open discussion would unfold.
well honestly i can see trump as a traitor and white supremacist.

a traitor because does indeed betrayed his LGBT base after many promisses during his campaing about help and protect them, then when he get elected one of his first acts was ban transgender surgery, was ban gays/lesbian from army, he basically lied to them and showed his true colors, the same could be said for others peoples where during his campaing he told one thing then did opposite and while others presidents also could had lied too in promises almost none of them where so "open" about lies, his "fake" news meme is there to proof how really truthfull trump is.

about "white supremacist", well what are majority of his base??: kkk, white supremacists and neo nazists them remember when he refused to blame that"fine peoples" over the problems, also remember who was trump father?? a running nazist?? while maybe trump could not be a white supremacists his actions make hard to not see him as one, since he keep doing things which make him looks like one.

Trump worst enemie, is not hillary, not democrats, not the news neither obama, or even republicans or GOP but himself and his terrible "ego" and need to be aclamed by someone even if that "someone" are trash peoples and if that peoples worship trump as a "god" them he will happy support them even at the cost losing popularity, trump is really not to much into being "popular" he only care to get the love of the "peoples which does support him" anyone else is expendable for him.
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special on what????
First of all, it was extremely media and internet based. The amount of people over the internet is much more nowadays then before.
Morever it was close to reality-show election

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as we see overal trump is the one "outside the curve", where most of the presidents have a good start and only later get bad while trump started "near bad" and instead of improve just fall down and get stable around he "bad zone", he is te only one "stable on the bad zone, ofcourse we are talking about just first year, we need to see until the end if trump manage to pull some miracle to improve his "rates".
That's what I am talking about - he started from the very beginning from the lower point than previous presidents. So it's no wonder that it's lower now - simply because general tendency to decrease in approval rating (with several exceptions) will bring lower overall result.

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That would only matter if Californian votes were weighed more than others which is not the case for this poll.
I am not sure how the votes are calculated but generally the more population the more votes towards certain things.
If I bring a thousand mexicans and a hundred rednecks, I presume opening border might gain more votes (though usually those who passed the border vote for closing it for some reason guess they know something )


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That's not an achievement
It is. Make it burn for so long is an achievent itself

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I'd expect more than one (1) passed legislation.
Well it's not as Trump has a complete support for everything. Politicians have different leaning in questions and politics. Different connections and so on. It's not like Trump is trying to applease the whole party and other party.


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Undermining peace negotiations and causing violent protest resulting in several dead is so funny.
Peace negotiations? Sunni and shiits want to kill each other for ages - and they share the same religion. They hate jews more.
Peace won't happen until the state of Israel is eradicated (after that they will go after each other throats). But Israel is a honey badger of the Middle East so it won't give up that easy

Whole that shit started due to english colonialism (it is actually was the plan all long in almost every regions - the territories that britains divided cause trouble).

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Nonsense. Trump was elected like every other president before him. His low approval ratings are his own fault. What flows are you even talking about and how are they similar?
Approval ratings can decrease from the very beginning and increase later and vice versa.

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Honestly my only expectation for Trump base is for them to at least hold Trump to his anti war platform
but I get the impression that Trump wants a war with North Korea and Iran
preferably at the same time!
Because he do. North Korea for sure - just to annoy China and weaken South Korea. Wars are profitable and the axis are almost set now.

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about "white supremacist", well what are majority of his base??: kkk, white supremacists and neo nazis them remember when he refused to blame that"fine peoples" over the problems, also remember who was trump father?? a running nazist?? while maybe trump could not be a white supremacists his actions make hard to not see him as one, since he keep doing things which make him looks like one.
why bring KKK? They are close to nonexistent now I mean do they even have a 5000 people overall? I bet no.
His father was a nazi? A lot of germans (and not germans though) were nazi. I mean its ideology of its time (and have some remnants nowadays) If Hitler did not put people into the owens the result would be a completely different.
Anyway liberals made the racist and nazi words irrelevant by labeling that way everybody whom they disagreed.

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Trump worst enemie, is not hillary, not democrats, not the news neither obama, or even republicans or GOP but himself and his terrible "ego" and need to be aclamed by someone even if that "someone" are trash peoples and if that peoples worship trump as a "god" them he will happy support them even at the cost losing popularity, trump is really not to much into being "popular" he only care to get the love of the "peoples which does support him" anyone else is expendable for him.
Every president consider people - the mass, the expendables. Or you think that they care about people that much? Of course he support those who support him.
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This is also part of a clear pattern in which the left uses wildly dishonest language to describe Trump. I can’t help but notice the progression over the last year; running the rounds from Trump is a fascist, to a traitor, and now a white supremacist. That such irresponsible accusations have been echoed and amplified by the mainstream press has only proven to honest observers that this amounts to political foul play.

The left understands the depth of irrational hatred for this president, and are exploiting it.
The tale of foul play and irrational accusations. Trump has repeatedly used racist, derogatory, misogynistic, xenophobic and more language on record and shows no sign of stopping. Blaming the media for 'fake news' when they simply report what he says.

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The right understands that it is impossible to have a meaningful discussion at this point. Perhaps if many of the politically motivated liberals would talk to their opponents, and not down to them; a more open discussion would unfold.
Conveniently overlooking that republicans have kept several of their attempts at repealing Obamacare secret until a few days before voting on it, including the majority of their own senators and repeating the same disaster with the recent tax bill that spans about ~500 pages and was released an hour before the vote.

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I am not sure how the votes are calculated but generally the more population the more votes towards certain things.
If I bring a thousand mexicans and a hundred rednecks, I presume opening border might gain more votes (though usually those who passed the border vote for closing it for some reason guess they know something )
Let's not make up some nonsensical examples with zero relevance to the poll to justify your narrative.

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It is. Make it burn for so long is an achievent itself
Pouring oil into a conflict that would have long passed on since without is just wasted time not used on solving actual problems but I doubt you will see it as such.

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Well it's not as Trump has a complete support for everything. Politicians have different leaning in questions and politics. Different connections and so on. It's not like Trump is trying to applease the whole party and other party.
Which has been the case for every other president before Trump as well.

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Peace negotiations? Sunni and shiits want to kill each other for ages - and they share the same religion. They hate jews more.
Peace won't happen until the state of Israel is eradicated (after that they will go after each other throats). But Israel is a honey badger of the Middle East so it won't give up that easy

Whole that shit started due to english colonialism (it is actually was the plan all long in almost every regions - the territories that britains divided cause trouble).
Complete bull. The current political conflict begun when in early-mid 20th century large amounts of Jews fled persecution in Europe and many were introduced to secular nationalism during that time. They traveled to their ancestral homeland which was then British controlled Palestine but their arrival sparked violence and later war between them and the Arabs.

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Approval ratings can decrease from the very beginning and increase later and vice versa.
That's just a general statement and does not answer why we supposedly cannot compare Trump's first year to previous presidents.

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The tale of foul play and irrational accusations. Trump has repeatedly used racist, derogatory, misogynistic, xenophobic and more language on record and shows no sign of stopping. Blaming the media for 'fake news' when they simply report what he says.
The current problem is the desire to ban the words - because they hurt somebody. It is a very bad sign. The sign of the deceased society - where people do not have a lot of issues so they start searching for a thing to argue. Purity tests. The hell, people have been triggered by "white campus" words recently

But banning words goes both ways - as soon as it is allowed, government gains the ability to do that itself on the much higher level (it is not like they cannot do it now but widespreading allow flowing the Overton window much faster). And then we'll have the same people who wanted to ban something, crying because somebody is banning the word they use.

Sometimes it leads to results like the "fall of Western Roman Empire" or Neogaf

Anyway I ran into a golden image of the purest SJW conversation (image itself, not that comment)
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Maybe Trump isn't a white nationalist, but he sure has enabled them

Remember, that he gave STEVE BANNON the chief white house strategist position once
and that's just the tip of the iceberg

and the reason why you don't have "dialogues" with Neo Nazi is because they don't want a dialogue
They want you dead
Have you checked the recent news?
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