2009-12-08, 03:00 | Link #381 | |
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As for Vampires Aleister said nobody has confirmed their existence but Deep Blood's function is a natural predator to them. Vampires may be just people like espers and magicians given the degree of remorse Aisa has for her power and past. Aleister said if Deep Blood exists it implies the existence of Vampires then if Imagine Breaker exists then what does it imply to exist? |
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2011-01-08, 01:01 | Link #383 |
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Fact or Fiction?
I keep seeing the response's stating Touma stopped Mikoto's Railgun, but honestly I believe i've watched every episode. (not too much of the Light Novel)
As hard as I think I can't recall him ever stopping the railgun. He didn't stop the railgun in "Railgun Ep. 1" It flew past him and onwards to skid across the concrete. Can someone enlighten me? |
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2011-01-08, 01:35 | Link #385 | |
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2011-01-08, 01:39 | Link #386 | |
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2011-01-08, 08:09 | Link #388 |
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I have given up on the physics in this show.
IB is inconsistently portrayed. Assuming he can only cancel the initial supernatural effect, then he should not be able to stop the railgun. Even if he cancels the conjured supernatural electricity accelerating it, he would still have a mental coin flying at bullet speed into his hand. Of course this goes out the window in the fight with the rock golem where he won by counter-punching it. Even if IB breaks the golem apart, that is still about one ton of rock that made up his hand flying into him, which would crush him. If he can cancel subsequent effects caused by the initial supernatural effect. Just how far "down the line" does it go? If a teleporter drops a shipping container on him where the teleport has already fully completed, does he touching it teleport it back to the original spot? The container's new position and downward movement is a consequence of the supernatural ability of teleportation.
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2011-01-08, 08:22 | Link #389 | |||
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In the battle with Accelerator. it's useless to cancel it because his esper powers aren't working on it. He just changes directions but that only applies on their initial battle. Their next battle is different. Quote:
Now for teleporter. Teleporting directly into him or near him or him is useless. Just like what Kuroko attempted on teleporting him to hide him from the dorm manager. IF you want to beat him in by a teleporter. And teleport a big one which is from above and drop it on him or teleport it on his sides which is not in his range of effects. Now the question is how big is the area of effects of imagine breaker. Even I didn't understand it much. He can disrupt and cancel out area of effects or ritual type just being their in the affected zone thought their are exceptions if their is a core which continuesly supplying it with magic or aim which make it regenerate again and again.
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2011-01-08, 08:27 | Link #390 | |
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The short version is this- Imagine Breaker can cancel the immediate effect of the supernatural ability- For example the force produce by the railgun or the golem punch, but he cannot cancel the secondary result of the immediate effect. The common example is that he can negate the heat produce from Stiyl's flames, but he cannot destroy the smoke and ash produce from the heat and flames.
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2011-01-08, 08:41 | Link #391 | ||
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The problem is, let say: A (supernatural effect) -> B (natural consequence of A) -> C (natural consequence of B) -> D ... Just how far down the line of chain of events can he cancel? Dropping a shipping container via teleport on him will kill him, yes I know it's gravity that accelerates the container, however lets say it was originally at ground level then the potential energy of the container will be given to it via the teleportation to the height above him. In that case a coin given kinetic energy by electricity will kill him too - note once it leaves Misaka's hand she no longer has anything to do with it, it's just a normal projectile like a bullet from a gun. Quote:
So you agree with me he can only cancel the initial supernatural effect? If so the contradiction comes in the form of the golem fight, I mentioned above.
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2011-01-08, 08:46 | Link #392 | |
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Supernatural ability (Railgun) , Immediate effect (Whatever force it generates plus electric residue(?)) , secondary result that cannot be negate (hole in the wall or thunderous sonic boom)
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2011-01-08, 08:52 | Link #393 | |
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Imagine breaker will remove the force generated, but the momentum of the rock that makes up the golem doesn't go away. If he can remove that too, just how far does the chain of events go? As far as it's convenient for storyline purposes? If so that is just lazy. Edit: Unless of course the magic doesn't generate force, but movement directly. That is one way to remove the contradiction. Won't save him from biribiri's railgun though, since it follows the physics of a real railgun which generates force via electricity.
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2011-01-08, 08:57 | Link #394 | |
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2011-01-08, 08:57 | Link #395 | |
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I have not yet seen his ability cancel a crater in the ground so I suppose that's where the chain ends. Follow the physics, but it's still created from and unnatural source... It's not impossible that the forces generated from her supernatural electricity might be supernatural itself.
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2011-01-08, 09:01 | Link #396 |
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even in latest novel. It's not explain on how far can he cancel an attack.
A dimensional attack can be cancel by imagine breaker but once the dimension is destroyed he can't cancel it anymore. It's morel like as long as a power is acting on it. It can be cancel but once physical matters are destroyed by the said power it can't be canceled anymore.
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It's just annoying when stories are not internally consistent. Things like accel and misaka abilities might cause inconsistencies too as the break the laws of physics but I have not notice anything yet. Quote:
By your logic everything that follows will be supernatural. Just how far down the chain does it go? It would be pure laziness if how far it cancels depends on the needs of the plot.
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Dakara... Hole in the ground... -_-
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2011-01-08, 09:23 | Link #399 | |
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IMO fixing it at just the initial supernatural effect would be the easiest and most sensible solution. Everything in the anime up to S02E08 fits - the case of the golem cam be explained away as direct generation of movement rather than force; although that might has it's own problems ... Best not to think too much. Whether the author shares my view is unknown, but it will cut down on the deus ex machina feel of the show as well as make it easier to establish creditable opponents. PS: sorry for separate post, computer broke, posting from phone, editing long posts are a PITA.
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