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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 19 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 39 | 35.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 37 | 33.64% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 14.55% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 9.09% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.73% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 1.82% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 2.73% | |
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2008-08-19, 12:18 | Link #401 |
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Yeah, I proposed they might do a Forbidden Planet homage, wherein the Frontier hatched Vajra are somehow emotionally connected to Ranka's ego and once her ego is crushed by the realization of the triangle it causes a Vajra uprising... who then do the crushing.
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2008-08-19, 12:37 | Link #402 |
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Yes! SherylxRanka confirmed! Serves Alto right!
Anyway, would Ai-kun and two other Vajra be Frontier's equivalent of the Zentradi infiltrators in SDF Macross? Also, some explanations... Q: How come nobody recognized Ranka in glasses? A: I noticed there were some Ranka cosplayers/impersonators among the crowd. All Ranka had to do was to pass off as one. Q: How come nobody noticed the Vajra in the concert? A: Aside from having a relatively unknown form, it wasn't attacking anyone (yet?) and was moving to the music instead, so people might have considered it part of the props. |
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2008-08-19, 13:10 | Link #405 |
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If that is the case, it's likely that Ranka's abrupt mood swing due to Sheryl's kiss in Episode 5 may have been the trigger of the sudden attack on Galaxy that happened immediately in the next scene. (With What 'bout my Star@Folmo first reviving any specimens the conspirators were secretly keeping for study like the one on Frontier that folded away).
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2008-08-19, 13:42 | Link #406 | |
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The daughter of Morbius LIVES! Ranka Altaira Lee! |
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2008-08-19, 14:18 | Link #407 | |
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2008-08-19, 14:27 | Link #408 | |
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We should probably take this conversation back to the the speculation thread... |
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2008-08-19, 14:33 | Link #409 |
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Somehow I get the feeling that Sheryl would tell Ranka something along the lines of:
Congratulations Ranka, you have achieved your dreams. Now take care of this idiot for me. *runs off* Now see, THAT would be a proper Sheryl line. - Tak (meh)
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2008-08-19, 14:49 | Link #410 | |
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You know what was my agenda? My agenda was to be a gadfly that pointed out lack of good taste in accusations against Ranka A lack of good taste I hope next threads will be void of The whole point of Ranka and Sheryl in the show is to be polar opposites of each other. Sheryl for istance doesn't have friends (even Michael and Klan are just pitying her because she is ill), and almost always put profession before herself. Ranka instead has friends, brothers, acquaintances, pets, and they all come first of her profession, as demonstrated by the fact she ditched the parade to look for Ai-kun. As such it's coherent for her to give greater importance to personal relationships. A point AFAIK not mentioned is that Sheryl is reaping what she sow: Sheryl valued her profession so much that she lost her individuality. A Sheryl Nome that doesn't sing is still Sheryl Nome? According to other people it can't be. She can't be really be someone other than a singer. This is troublesome, because it's not easy for her to be a singer now. She got both the frying pan and the fire: not only she is dying, she can't do something actually meaningful while ending her life. Yet, as specified by Yasaburo, Sheryl cannot not want it. He cited the fascination of control over people during the performance, that suits Sheryl to a T. On the other hand I have always thought Alto, for his own unstated reasons, was slighted annoyed by these sides of Sheryl, exactly because he hates the world of performers (although it must be said that he is always annoyed. He is muddling the evidence ). Therefore, while he clearly favoured Sheryl over Ranka, he was nonetheless attracted by the overall meeker side of Ranka (I think in ep. 13 while talking to Ranka he looked relaxed the most). This episode also showed how Ranka's love is painfully one-sided. Alto is pulling a Minmay on Ranka, he put her in the friend zone as soon as his life is not in danger That considered, it was not surprising therefore that he didn't notice Ranka's feelings and did something unintentionally disastrous. I think Michael went a bit overboard when he spilled the beans about Sheryl being ill though, because Alto was already taking action on Sheryl on his own, he only needed to be informed of Ranka for correctness' sake. Sheryl never meant to get Alto through pity or cheap tricks, and that's why she wanted to keep it a secret, therefore I am positive she won't be saying she is dying as her first words, or at least she wouldn't if not for what Michael said to Alto At the same time, she is not just there to tell Alto that, and neither Alto is, so Ranka is right in not seeing their being together as innocent. Were not for Ranka they were actually going to score in one way or the other. Another thing to note is that Sheryl actually probed Alto about the situation before. She mentioned a different Sheryl (a Sheryl that doesn't sing), and saw Alto not liking it. It's not like any answer would be enough though, because Sheryl couldn't have told what exactly she is now, and as such no expression of caring from Alto would have hit the mark. That unintentional misunderstanding gave Sheryl such low self-esteem she absolutely needed Klan's spur. Personally I was very pleased by the last scene. It would have felt cheap if the triangle looked like it was resolved just because a girl made her move before the other. |
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2008-08-19, 17:10 | Link #414 | |
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The whole point of Ranka and Sheryl in the show is to be polar opposites of each other. Sheryl for istance doesn't have friends (even Michael and Klan are just pitying her because she is ill), and almost always put profession before herself. Ranka instead has friends, brothers, acquaintances, pets, and they all come first of her profession, as demonstrated by the fact she ditched the parade to look for Ai-kun. As such it's coherent for her to give greater importance to personal relationships. Sheryl has nobody to put ahead of her work. You said so yourself she has no1 cept Alto. How can she put friends, brothers, acquiantances, pets before her work if she doesn't have any of them. Sheryl's job was all she had. She actually took her job seriously too unlike Ranka. A point AFAIK not mentioned is that Sheryl is reaping what she sow: Sheryl valued her profession so much that she lost her individuality. A Sheryl Nome that doesn't sing is still Sheryl Nome? According to other people it can't be. She can't be really be someone other than a singer. This is troublesome, because it's not easy for her to be a singer now. She got both the frying pan and the fire: not only she is dying, she can't do something actually meaningful while ending her life. Again, Sheryl has nothing except for being a singer. I think it's unfair to take away the one thing Sheryl actually had. Sheryl lost her individuality because she was doing the one thing she loved doing...? Also, people can do great things in one day. Why do you assume that she can't do anything meaningful. On the other hand I have always thought Alto, for his own unstated reasons, was slighted annoyed by these sides of Sheryl, exactly because he hates the world of performers (although it must be said that he is always annoyed. He is muddling the evidence ). Therefore, while he clearly favoured Sheryl over Ranka, he was nonetheless attracted by the overall meeker side of Ranka (I think in ep. 13 while talking to Ranka he looked relaxed the most). This is just bs saying he hates performers. He is a god dam performer himself!!! I'm not talking about acting, but doing the flying lights thing. This episode also showed how Ranka's love is painfully one-sided. Alto is pulling a Minmay on Ranka, he put her in the friend zone as soon as his life is not in danger That considered, it was not surprising therefore that he didn't notice Ranka's feelings and did something unintentionally disastrous. I think Michael went a bit overboard when he spilled the beans about Sheryl being ill though, because Alto was already taking action on Sheryl on his own, he only needed to be informed of Ranka for correctness' sake. Ok, Michael clearly mentioned ALTO, RANKA IS SINGING FOR YOU. I think he would realize by then that she liked him no? Sheryl never meant to get Alto through pity or cheap tricks, and that's why she wanted to keep it a secret, therefore I am positive she won't be saying she is dying as her first words, or at least she wouldn't if not for what Michael said to Alto At the same time, she is not just there to tell Alto that, and neither Alto is, so Ranka is right in not seeing their being together as innocent. Were not for Ranka they were actually going to score in one way or the other. It is not clear whether or not Sheryl got Alto yet. Also, why the f would Ranka see it as not innocent? It was clear that she knew Alto and Sheryl went out together, kissed, Sheryl clearly showed wanting him in the singing battle, and yet why would she se it as not innocent? Another thing to note is that Sheryl actually probed Alto about the situation before. She mentioned a different Sheryl (a Sheryl that doesn't sing), and saw Alto not liking it. It's not like any answer would be enough though, because Sheryl couldn't have told what exactly she is now, and as such no expression of caring from Alto would have hit the mark. That unintentional misunderstanding gave Sheryl such low self-esteem she absolutely needed Klan's spur. Personally I was very pleased by the last scene. It would have felt cheap if the triangle looked like it was resolved just because a girl made her move before the other. This is bs. I don't even get what you're trying to say here. You also said above Sheryl never meant to get Alto through cheap tricks and pity, but your last sentence says you were pleased that the triangle wasn't resolved there... |
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2008-08-19, 23:55 | Link #416 | |
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2008-08-20, 01:56 | Link #418 |
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Ranka slaps Alto saying he's an unobservant idiot and then clasps Sheryl's hands and says she is sorry to hear that she is dying. Oh who am I kidding?
On another note. If someone you loved, liked or even was friends with lost their motivation to do something that you felt was very important to them would your first reaction to this be anger and an emotional tirade? |
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