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DragoonKain3 · 2017-01-15, 15:05

So it seems they showed all the other girls' routes. I'm surprised though that Koutaro started a family already in one of the other routes... I thought Salvation time was the same time in every timeline? Because I'm wondering what could have triggered Salvation so late in that other timeline, but I guess that's something only the VN will divulge.

And all it took to not die is three cups of feecof? Wow, Kagari is easily pleased. XD

It's interesting though that it's still only Kotarou and Kagari in this iteration outside of the usual timelines. Which means maybe Kotarou is merely not just a familiar, but like Kagari a very important part of earth and/or time itself? It's interesting that this episode seems to imply that Kotarou is as 'timeless' as Kagari herself... really wished they delved more into Kotori's past, because NOT ONCE were we shown Kotarou's past self. I wouldn't be surprised if he looked the same then as he is now.

tsunade666 · 2017-01-15, 22:51

kotarou's last would be reveled in terra route. as for why kotarou is as timeless as kagari. it's because she's connected to kagari. in first season of anime and in kotori' s route. kotori used one of the ribbons of Kagari as a way to heal him. though in a way, he was dying and is mostly dead. the healing process forced him to change and adapt with the ribbons and the ribbons itself is aurora. for the aurora, I wish they elaborate I more in the first season but maybe they will explain it later on but aurora is important nd the ribbons made of aurora that she and merge with kotarou is the reason why they are connected. there is more to it than that but the anime would hopeful elaborate it more.

as for salvation. the whole theme of rewrite is the planet is dying. no matter what the hunters do. they are just post poning the inevitable. salvation hd ready happened before. some in small scale and small in bugger scale. but never in worldwide scale. it's just show how damage the planet is and every time the planet tried to heal itself. the guardians prevent it. which further damage it. so, even if the salvation as prevented in some route. it would still happen in few years or decade or century later on. it's the apocalypse.

~Yami~ · 2017-01-17, 10:32

so here is my thinking as anime-only watcher..

Are they seriously asking us to understand what is going on? I really think this is only for VN-player

my head is bursting
but I still try to speculate... let's see.. Koutarou stuck together with Kagari in a parallel time due to his connection with the Key..
and while that happened.. each time he slept, he got connected with the world, where he lived in so many various timelines, but everytime everything ended, he'll be back into the parallel time together with Kagari again
and now, with the power of feecof, he finally able to move forward from his parallel time (original time). In that parallel time, he still somehow manage to connect with the girls but they can't meet or speak because of different dimension

now, to be honest, I found Kagari as boring person since her first introduction
things that made me happy is that they showed a glimpse of Kotori's route where it is hinted that Koutarou able to save her...
and also, putting Koibumi in Shizuru's route is beautiful (as expected from the most beautiful soundtrack from Yanagi Nagi)
and they put a nice spotlight for Chihaya since we didn't manage to see her interaction with Koutarou in first season

When Koutarou found Chihaya's necklace, I think all the girls are also remembered various timelines they spent together (that means every girls remembered their own lovey-dovey moment with Koutarou in their own routes)

and as huge supporter of childhood friend route, I'm very happy that only Kotori managed to form a family with Koutarou... Akane, one of best girl have one-night stand... and I don't really care for the rest

hooray for Kotori!

tsunade666 · 2017-01-17, 21:29

Its not a one night stand. Just saying. And Kotori is the only one who had a family at the end. Though Happy might not apply to the others.

~Yami~ · 2017-01-18, 10:52

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

Its not a one night stand. Just saying. And Kotori is the only one who had a family at the end. Though Happy might not apply to the others.

I just viewed it as anime-only point of view so let me dream

after all, I think the anime is not friendly for someone like me... I should play the VN

but since it is too long, I guess it is impossible

Julio C · 2017-01-18, 14:47

Even though I decided to drop this show after that season 1 finale, I decided to check it out for the hell of it, and I'm surprised that it was actually decent. Maybe the show will get better this time?

Also was that T-Rex finally animated and not CGI? It sure look far better than before.

watisit · 2017-01-19, 08:10

What's the story behind the two Lucias?

**Klashikari** · 2017-01-19, 11:00

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Originally Posted by watisit

What's the story behind the two Lucias?

Part of Harvest Festa, the fan disk. There is no way to explain that without spoiling heavily her own route, so it is best to wait for the end of the series if there is any plan for special OVA for the heroines' routes.

Xiammes · 2017-01-21, 04:54

For anime only watchers, Moon route was confusing for VN readers, so don't feel bad. A good thing is that most of the info you needed from the rest of VN was covered in Episode 1 and season 1 gave enough info that you can understand later events.

ronelm2000 · 2017-01-21, 10:20

Man, that adaptation of this new episode (Episode 2) was just mind=blowingly perfect.

While, sure, it's more or less "a literal description of an info-dump", it was executed so on-par, that it makes me wonder what the hell happened on the last last 10 episodes full of rushed content.

And that Insert Song too.

Consider me blown away.

Spoiler:

Stark700 · 2017-01-21, 11:39

I have to admit, that song they played when Tennouji danced with Kagari was quite beautiful. Even if t wasn't long, there was a good connection and character chemistry between them.

DragoonKain3 · 2017-01-21, 12:40

Lots of metaphysical stuff, that's for sure. As someone who prefers hard scifi, I usually am not interested at all in these things. But for some reason, it makes sense for this story? At the very least I'm willing to suspend my disbelief and take stuff at face value, like 'love' being the primal force of the entire universe. XD

Now the only thing I'm confused about... is Kotarou supposed to be the next 'saint' after Kashima, or is he supposed to be the yang to Kagari's yin? At first I thought Kotarou is supposed to be the anti-thesis to Kagari from the very beginning of time (which in essence means that he 'knew' Kagari far longer than Kotori

), but in this episode Kotarou mentions that Kashima REPLACED him to be the killer of Kagari. So Kotarou is connected to the saint one way or another?

Like it makes sense Kotarou being the 'anti-Kagari', since then Kagari made no hesitation to kill him many times before. It also makes sense that Kotarou only ever has 'real memories' ever since Kotori healed him with Kagari's ribbon, since that was essentially the death of the old 'anti-Kagari' and the birth of the current Kotarou. But this theory goes down the gutter because this episode implies Kotarou was a Saint. Which means Kotarou is just another human, because as far as I know, the Saint lives on from human to human.

The only thing that I can think of to reconcile these two theories in one is that, just like the previous season has shown us that there are actually TWO Kagari personalities, there are also two Kotarou personalities. That is, there is the Saint Kotarou that lives on Kashima, and there is the 'Rewritten' Kotarou that was healed by Kagari's ribbon. Admittedly this is a bit of a stretch, but I can't help but make parallels to Xenogears, where the Saint sounds awful like Miang/Myyah, and so stuff like the 'original' and the 'reincarnation' being able to coexist at the same time is perfectly plausible to me.

At the very least one of my questions is answered... Salvation does indeed not happen when Kagari is killed. Which only delays the inevitable ruin of Earth, though it allows Kotarou some time to make a family. But if Salvation happens, life lives on BUT every life is pretty much turned to LCL. At first I thought everyone dies from Salvation, but judging by how all of Kotarou's friends 'came back from the dead', life must have just melded together but they can 'reject instrumentality' and come back to life, or so to speak. He, Romeo must have been inspired by NGE lol.

And Kotori leading the human harem of Kotarou? HHHHNNNNGGGGG! Of course, Kotarou and Kagari's date this episode is very nice as well.

In any case, I'm glad I didn't read the VN. Piecing all the pieces together from week to week is a lot of fun, and I'm liking the pro-environment theme this series has been promoting since this season has started. XD

Which reminds me, I wonder if a certain leader of a certain country will change his mind about climate change if someone forces him to play Rewrite?

**Klashikari** · 2017-01-21, 12:44

Just to clarify few things:

Spoiler for clarification about the "saint":

Spoiler for Kagari's behaviour against Kotarou thus far:

Anyway, good to see they didn't try anything funny and appropriately shortened few things to make that part of the plot digest. The infodump really didn't feel like an obnoxious one, a far cry from what they did with the early stuff in S1.

tsunade666 · 2017-01-21, 15:05

did they save budget on first seAson for this. more c.f. movements than first season and it doesn't look that ugly to me. hopefully the upcoming actions would look the same.

damn... the episode is full of reels and it's nice. that, ending. it felt that the impact could be stronger but the nostalgia and the bom and scene made me but of emotional sad. darn, glad to see the club one last time together. I also understand the pin of kotarou for calling the girls. they have lived and he ending alread and he's just selfishly dragging them on his right but the girls would still support him wholeheartedly. it's warm and it's nice.

I love this scene.

Yoshino showing up! time to start sing Yo-Shi-No!

that bgm during the dance is nice. I heard it before as only the music minus the lyrics but now, it also has the lyrics sung. it's really nice and romantic.

Master_Yoma · 2017-01-21, 22:08

Kotarou really making point with Kagari but that dance was kind of like dancing with your daughter

Iby · 2017-01-22, 00:13

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Originally Posted by ronelm2000

that it makes me wonder what the hell happened on the last last 10 episodes full of rushed content.

They've just used the same tactics as they've used with Grisaia adaptation, as in rushed compilation of all routes for the first season and more detailed adaptation of a true route for the second.

Yamada II · 2017-01-22, 03:14

Episode 2

This was a nice episode. Liked the Koutaro Kagari moments. The old hag Sakura is after the Kagari here because she hates everything. Koutaro is here to protect her. In the other possible timelines he ended up choosing a different girl and ended up losing Kagari. So he has now realized that he must go the Kagari route. And he has his friends here to help him. Liked when they all showed up one by one. That was nice.

DragoonKain3 · 2017-01-28, 12:35

So Kotaro was already 'old' by the time he met kid!Kotori eh? I was right on the hunch that there was a reason that they didn't show "young"!Kotarou until now... he looked the same then as he did now. Which then implies that Kotaro is as 'old' as Kagari, and of course the implication that if Kotori and Kotaro are considered childhood friends (being you know between a human and a 'timeless' being XD), then the same should be applied to Kagari and Kotaro as well.

Still am confused as to how Kashima 'replaced' Kotaro as the one to kill Kagari. Oh well, I'll just chalk it up to Kotaro being mistaken... he started to NOT act like anti-Kagari and came to his current senses because Kotori uses Kagari's bandages on him, and not because Kashima replaced him or whatever (Kashima existed as a Saint long before the incident by the tree IIRC).

But yeah, Moon route is so much akin to NGE, except with ALL life from the different timlines mixed in that LCL. And now Kagari sends back all the LCL from the moon back to earth for one more go around, since she technically 'died' doing so? I wonder what's going to be different this time around, but Imma gonna guess it's something to do with what Kotaro added to the theory.

tsunade666 · 2017-01-28, 16:21

Ugh.... low budget headache. ugh.... I can't feel the feels with this rushed and crappy animation. And this part should be full of emotional feels. The ending of moon route and the start of the terra route. You can say that the first part is over and now the second part of the story is starting. Terra isn't connected much to Moon.

**Klashikari** · 2017-01-28, 16:55

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Still am confused as to how Kashima 'replaced' Kotaro as the one to kill Kagari. Oh well, I'll just chalk it up to Kotaro being mistaken... he started to NOT act like anti-Kagari and came to his current senses because Kotori uses Kagari's bandages on him, and not because Kashima replaced him or whatever (Kashima existed as a Saint long before the incident by the tree IIRC).

No, Kashima didn't replace Kotarou whatsoever. Although there isn't really any clear explanation how Kotarou appeared on the Moon, his will to protect Kagari was hindered because of his memories from all other "routes" where his involvement with the other girls caused directly or indirectly Kagari's doom.
The "human" Kotarou's existence was mainly against the Key not because he wanted to, but because of the circumstances that were from all of the other routes.

This episode was really rushed compared to last week, and while they didn't really screw around with Kotarou and Kagari's scenes, everyone else got shafted quite badly. I was wondering if they were planning to skip Sakuya's entrance but the way how they did was quite flat considering they completely glossed the reasons why Sakuya's presence on the Moon was truly the greatest miracle Kotarou could ever get right there.

2017-01-15, 15:05	Link #21
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	So it seems they showed all the other girls' routes. I'm surprised though that Koutaro started a family already in one of the other routes... I thought Salvation time was the same time in every timeline? Because I'm wondering what could have triggered Salvation so late in that other timeline, but I guess that's something only the VN will divulge. And all it took to not die is three cups of feecof? Wow, Kagari is easily pleased. XD It's interesting though that it's still only Kotarou and Kagari in this iteration outside of the usual timelines. Which means maybe Kotarou is merely not just a familiar, but like Kagari a very important part of earth and/or time itself? It's interesting that this episode seems to imply that Kotarou is as 'timeless' as Kagari herself... really wished they delved more into Kotori's past, because NOT ONCE were we shown Kotarou's past self. I wouldn't be surprised if he looked the same then as he is now. __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2017-01-15, 22:51	Link #22
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	kotarou's last would be reveled in terra route. as for why kotarou is as timeless as kagari. it's because she's connected to kagari. in first season of anime and in kotori' s route. kotori used one of the ribbons of Kagari as a way to heal him. though in a way, he was dying and is mostly dead. the healing process forced him to change and adapt with the ribbons and the ribbons itself is aurora. for the aurora, I wish they elaborate I more in the first season but maybe they will explain it later on but aurora is important nd the ribbons made of aurora that she and merge with kotarou is the reason why they are connected. there is more to it than that but the anime would hopeful elaborate it more. as for salvation. the whole theme of rewrite is the planet is dying. no matter what the hunters do. they are just post poning the inevitable. salvation hd ready happened before. some in small scale and small in bugger scale. but never in worldwide scale. it's just show how damage the planet is and every time the planet tried to heal itself. the guardians prevent it. which further damage it. so, even if the salvation as prevented in some route. it would still happen in few years or decade or century later on. it's the apocalypse. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2017-01-17, 21:29	Link #24
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Its not a one night stand. Just saying. And Kotori is the only one who had a family at the end. Though Happy might not apply to the others. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2017-01-21, 04:54	Link #29
Xiammes Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	For anime only watchers, Moon route was confusing for VN readers, so don't feel bad. A good thing is that most of the info you needed from the rest of VN was covered in Episode 1 and season 1 gave enough info that you can understand later events. __________________

2017-01-21, 11:39	Link #31
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	I have to admit, that song they played when Tennouji danced with Kagari was quite beautiful. Even if t wasn't long, there was a good connection and character chemistry between them. __________________

2017-01-17, 10:32	Link #23
~Yami~ a random Indonesian otaku Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Xanadu Age: 32	so here is my thinking as anime-only watcher.. Are they seriously asking us to understand what is going on? I really think this is only for VN-player my head is bursting but I still try to speculate... let's see.. Koutarou stuck together with Kagari in a parallel time due to his connection with the Key.. and while that happened.. each time he slept, he got connected with the world, where he lived in so many various timelines, but everytime everything ended, he'll be back into the parallel time together with Kagari again and now, with the power of feecof, he finally able to move forward from his parallel time (original time). In that parallel time, he still somehow manage to connect with the girls but they can't meet or speak because of different dimension now, to be honest, I found Kagari as boring person since her first introduction things that made me happy is that they showed a glimpse of Kotori's route where it is hinted that Koutarou able to save her... and also, putting Koibumi in Shizuru's route is beautiful (as expected from the most beautiful soundtrack from Yanagi Nagi) and they put a nice spotlight for Chihaya since we didn't manage to see her interaction with Koutarou in first season When Koutarou found Chihaya's necklace, I think all the girls are also remembered various timelines they spent together (that means every girls remembered their own lovey-dovey moment with Koutarou in their own routes) and as huge supporter of childhood friend route, I'm very happy that only Kotori managed to form a family with Koutarou... Akane, one of best girl have one-night stand... and I don't really care for the rest hooray for Kotori!

2017-01-18, 14:47	Link #26
Julio C Bury My Shell Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Santa Barbara	Even though I decided to drop this show after that season 1 finale, I decided to check it out for the hell of it, and I'm surprised that it was actually decent. Maybe the show will get better this time? Also was that T-Rex finally animated and not CGI? It sure look far better than before.

2017-01-19, 08:10	Link #27
watisit Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013	What's the story behind the two Lucias?

2017-01-21, 12:40	Link #32
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	Lots of metaphysical stuff, that's for sure. As someone who prefers hard scifi, I usually am not interested at all in these things. But for some reason, it makes sense for this story? At the very least I'm willing to suspend my disbelief and take stuff at face value, like 'love' being the primal force of the entire universe. XD Now the only thing I'm confused about... is Kotarou supposed to be the next 'saint' after Kashima, or is he supposed to be the yang to Kagari's yin? At first I thought Kotarou is supposed to be the anti-thesis to Kagari from the very beginning of time (which in essence means that he 'knew' Kagari far longer than Kotori ), but in this episode Kotarou mentions that Kashima REPLACED him to be the killer of Kagari. So Kotarou is connected to the saint one way or another? Like it makes sense Kotarou being the 'anti-Kagari', since then Kagari made no hesitation to kill him many times before. It also makes sense that Kotarou only ever has 'real memories' ever since Kotori healed him with Kagari's ribbon, since that was essentially the death of the old 'anti-Kagari' and the birth of the current Kotarou. But this theory goes down the gutter because this episode implies Kotarou was a Saint. Which means Kotarou is just another human, because as far as I know, the Saint lives on from human to human. The only thing that I can think of to reconcile these two theories in one is that, just like the previous season has shown us that there are actually TWO Kagari personalities, there are also two Kotarou personalities. That is, there is the Saint Kotarou that lives on Kashima, and there is the 'Rewritten' Kotarou that was healed by Kagari's ribbon. Admittedly this is a bit of a stretch, but I can't help but make parallels to Xenogears, where the Saint sounds awful like Miang/Myyah, and so stuff like the 'original' and the 'reincarnation' being able to coexist at the same time is perfectly plausible to me. At the very least one of my questions is answered... Salvation does indeed not happen when Kagari is killed. Which only delays the inevitable ruin of Earth, though it allows Kotarou some time to make a family. But if Salvation happens, life lives on BUT every life is pretty much turned to LCL. At first I thought everyone dies from Salvation, but judging by how all of Kotarou's friends 'came back from the dead', life must have just melded together but they can 'reject instrumentality' and come back to life, or so to speak. He, Romeo must have been inspired by NGE lol. And Kotori leading the human harem of Kotarou? HHHHNNNNGGGGG! Of course, Kotarou and Kagari's date this episode is very nice as well. In any case, I'm glad I didn't read the VN. Piecing all the pieces together from week to week is a lot of fun, and I'm liking the pro-environment theme this series has been promoting since this season has started. XD Which reminds me, I wonder if a certain leader of a certain country will change his mind about climate change if someone forces him to play Rewrite? __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2017-01-21, 12:44	Link #33
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	Just to clarify few things: Spoiler for clarification about the "saint": Saint is a "one person" kind of phenomenom (details are in the vn so I will skip them), so the next is line can only be Akane after Kashima. Then only another girl of the same lineage will be able to succeed to Akane. That information was made clear in the VN when information about Akane and the Saint were revealed, but they obviously had to skip that. The story doesn't imply that kind of theory either both in the game or anime so I believe this is no spoiler at this point. Spoiler for Kagari's behaviour against Kotarou thus far: Kagari's purpose is to complete the theory of life at all cost. From her POV, Kotaro was basically an entity that shouldn't be there and was considered as a being trying to hinder her, therefore eradicate him the moment she consider him as an obstacle (automatic defense "system"). This would have occured with just anyone trying to casually approach Kagari while she is busy. It is because of Kotarou's repeated actions that Kagari stopped considering him as a threat. Anyway, good to see they didn't try anything funny and appropriately shortened few things to make that part of the plot digest. The infodump really didn't feel like an obnoxious one, a far cry from what they did with the early stuff in S1. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter] Last edited by Klashikari; 2017-01-21 at 13:43.

2017-01-21, 15:05	Link #34
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	did they save budget on first seAson for this. more c.f. movements than first season and it doesn't look that ugly to me. hopefully the upcoming actions would look the same. damn... the episode is full of reels and it's nice. that, ending. it felt that the impact could be stronger but the nostalgia and the bom and scene made me but of emotional sad. darn, glad to see the club one last time together. I also understand the pin of kotarou for calling the girls. they have lived and he ending alread and he's just selfishly dragging them on his right but the girls would still support him wholeheartedly. it's warm and it's nice. I love this scene. Yoshino showing up! time to start sing Yo-Shi-No! that bgm during the dance is nice. I heard it before as only the music minus the lyrics but now, it also has the lyrics sung. it's really nice and romantic. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2017-01-21, 22:08	Link #35
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Kotarou really making point with Kagari but that dance was kind of like dancing with your daughter __________________

2017-01-22, 03:14	Link #37
Yamada II Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Pakistan Age: 28	Episode 2 This was a nice episode. Liked the Koutaro Kagari moments. The old hag Sakura is after the Kagari here because she hates everything. Koutaro is here to protect her. In the other possible timelines he ended up choosing a different girl and ended up losing Kagari. So he has now realized that he must go the Kagari route. And he has his friends here to help him. Liked when they all showed up one by one. That was nice.

2017-01-28, 12:35	Link #38
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	So Kotaro was already 'old' by the time he met kid!Kotori eh? I was right on the hunch that there was a reason that they didn't show "young"!Kotarou until now... he looked the same then as he did now. Which then implies that Kotaro is as 'old' as Kagari, and of course the implication that if Kotori and Kotaro are considered childhood friends (being you know between a human and a 'timeless' being XD), then the same should be applied to Kagari and Kotaro as well. Still am confused as to how Kashima 'replaced' Kotaro as the one to kill Kagari. Oh well, I'll just chalk it up to Kotaro being mistaken... he started to NOT act like anti-Kagari and came to his current senses because Kotori uses Kagari's bandages on him, and not because Kashima replaced him or whatever (Kashima existed as a Saint long before the incident by the tree IIRC). But yeah, Moon route is so much akin to NGE, except with ALL life from the different timlines mixed in that LCL. And now Kagari sends back all the LCL from the moon back to earth for one more go around, since she technically 'died' doing so? I wonder what's going to be different this time around, but Imma gonna guess it's something to do with what Kotaro added to the theory. __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2017-01-28, 16:21	Link #39
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	Ugh.... low budget headache. ugh.... I can't feel the feels with this rushed and crappy animation. And this part should be full of emotional feels. The ending of moon route and the start of the terra route. You can say that the first part is over and now the second part of the story is starting. Terra isn't connected much to Moon. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero