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Again, this is just my opinion, but I'm not particularly well versed in mysteries, either, but I still was sure Umineko was "meant to be solved." I got into the series via the anime, and following the forums rather intently, and when the second arc rolled around with it's lightsabers and goats, I became sure of it's status as a mystery, "with some quirk, as it's written by the Higurashi guy, after all". If anything, I was confused that so many other people suddenly seemed confused. Of course, it's probably just variance in taste and mind-set at this point, so I can't really continue arguing except to say that it was written as a mystery, and many people picked up on that. Quote:
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2011-12-30, 21:45 | Link #26682 | ||
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2011-12-30, 22:19 | Link #26683 | |
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... it's 4:00 Am and I keep making typing errors... so I apologize if what I wrote doesn't make much sense... Goodnight... or good morning... :P |
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2011-12-30, 22:22 | Link #26684 |
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I haven't really been active on these boards before now, so I'm really late to the party, but some things about episode 8 really bother me. Especially the goats, and the idea that trying to uncover the truth is only the cruel abuse of intellectual rapists.
There was a lot of bad ideas and terrible theories coming from the goats mouths, and for all they were scary for being numerous, they never really got a 'cool' scene. Even other villains like Erika and Bern shine, but the goats are just contemptible and expendable extras. Is this really how the author feels about his readers? Would someone who hates their readers that much really continue to write new stories? So I kept thinking and found some logic to fight with. It is possible that Episode 8 was a massive, massive troll by Bernkastel. Bernkastel is the clear villain of the story and is shown to have the board at the end of Episode 7, and a villain's role is to create as much suffering and misery as possible. Torturing one Ushiromiya Ange is less suffering than torturing all the readers who were expecting answers to the mystery. Letting Ange get off somewhat lightly in order to hurt even more people is just like a villain. Of course that theory needs a lot more meat to really stand up. But let's pull out some of Will's lines. Don't forget the heart! As it stands now, Ushiromiya Ange might seem happy, but she can't truly love her family. She might think she does, but she does not. The loving family scenes of early episode 8 are obviously an illusion. Culprit-less disaster theory doesn't work, because Battler did not come back with Eva and did not announce his survival even after he did. If there were no murders, there would be no reason for Battler and Eva not to reunite as the two survivors of a horrible accidental tragedy. Illusions to illusions! Loving the illusion of a happy family is not the same as really loving her family. True love requires acknowledging and forgiving the faults in others, not papering over them and pretending they don't exist. The love of an illusion should be returned to illusions. What kind of sick person would believe in a scenario where the things that happen to Maria are ok? Am I supposed to accept that a little girl being viciously beaten by her mother is fine because Maria believes it's just a bad witch possessing her? Should other people just stay out of it then? Can this really be the writing of the same author who made me cheer for Keichi beating Satoko's uncle to death with a baseball bat??! The promised reaper lowers the curtain, regardless of the witch's will. Episode 8 actually ended with Bernkastel's complete and incredible triumph. The piece has moved the players instead of vice versa. The fan-base is falsely accused of intellectual rape and many have turned away from the author in disappointment thanks to the game of a clever and hateful witch. Either the purple text is true, or (in Ryukishi's eyes) I am a culprit of (poorly attempted) intellectual rape for trying to play the game I was invited to. I'm not completely sure of the answer, but I don't want to accept that I'm a culprit without a fight. But that gives rise to a painful blue idea. It is possible that I am just an over-sensitive fan who doesn't want to accept that one of my favorite authors has very different ideas about the world, and doesn't agree with my way of living. Maybe my ruminations and musings are no better than Erika trying to force the ring onto Battler when he isn't awake to fight back. This is painfully frustrating. The real world has no red, only an abundance of blue and purples. I wish some-one would tear the lid off this cat-box. If I really am a culprit then I'll confess my why-dunnit gladly. But you can't be a culprit if there's no crime, so have I really done anything bad? Or, as another possible-culprit phrased it, Who Am I!!???? |
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2011-12-30, 23:36 | Link #26686 | |
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2011-12-30, 23:50 | Link #26688 | |
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Well, that's a nit pick I suppose. I am soundly vanquished. |
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2011-12-30, 23:57 | Link #26689 | |
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2011-12-31, 00:50 | Link #26692 |
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Well, before anyone can actually translate it I imagine they've got to read it first, that might take a while. How long is it?
EDIT: Oh wow, it's quite short (by Umineko standards). About 39 pages apparently. Well, 38. One page is a sketch.
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I'm guessing Flauros was an unused demon furniture (she has the one winged eagle). Flauros is an alternate spelling Haures, who is 64th demon.
In all honesty, she just reminds me of Orin from Touhou Spoiler for Sketch of Flauros:
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2011-12-31, 01:26 | Link #26695 | |
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And wow it took me a while to notice the One Winged Eagle. |
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2011-12-31, 01:33 | Link #26696 |
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Wish they could make their females without overbreasting them and barelegging them.
I don't mind fan service and sexy characters, but they need to have the artwork to justify using it, and the pasty graphics of Umineko do not do such outfits justice, I doubt even some of the biggest perverts would find any form of attraction to it.(although most anime has stupid sex appeal that isn't sexy in my opinion). EDIT: Just because I say female doesn't mean I am ignoring the possibility of it being male. |
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"I don't believe in ShKanon" can mean a number of different things. Can you elaborate? |
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