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mikeomni · 2013-06-02, 10:43

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I'm surprised there's not more fanart.

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Watch episode 9 ...

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Jan-Poo · 2013-06-02, 10:48

We so need a crossover fanfiction with Ledo and Ika-Musume now.
It must end with the two getting married and raising their little hideauze children.

Funkatron · 2013-06-02, 13:35

Speculation on the GA in light of the recent episode:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...58#post4705958

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Okay, I don't think cloning is involved after watching episode 9: I think the eugenics approach of the GA was created to both combat the idea of genetic manipulation ala the Evolvers and to combat humans adapting to space.

It's been proven that space travel, especially long periods of it can have detrimental effects on humans. The Evolvers relied on genetic manipulation, becoming something beyond human. The rest of humanity, disgusted by what their fellow man had become, decided on eugenics. The war with the Hideauze/Evolvers serves two purposes: a way of annihilation against those who gave up their humanity and a way to sift the wheat. The weak die in battle and those who survive their 16th birthday are deemed the strong and allowed to procreate and create a stronger generation. Those born weak are disposed of and the cycle continues. Scary stuff

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-06-02, 17:15

On the bright side? (Bright side? Am I crazy?) We see Pinion's brother's Yunboro inside the building, and the final shot of the preview for Episode 10 looks like Pinion pouring out the contents of a flask, so at least maybe there's some resolution for one character's background event coming up.

duckroll · 2013-06-02, 20:33

Hahahahahahahaha omg it turned out to be true! LOL.

Funkatron · 2013-06-02, 21:04

So after this I don't see Ledo turning whalesquid hugger but he isn't going back to the GA either. I think he is going to end up living on the Gargantia with Amy, after of course dealing with whatever 'traitor' fail-safe Chamber has. Chamber has to have one, seeing how controlling the GA is. He's going to realize that Ledo no longer wants to fight for the cause and may label him and possibly the Gargantia fleet as traitors to humanity. If he has a protocol to deal with traitors, Ledo is in it deep.

mikeomni · 2013-06-02, 21:16

Possible endings ...

1A) Reason whalesquids are sacred, they take the dead, process them and make new humans. Fairlock de geso returns to negotiate with Ledo. Ledo realizes this is the natural cycle of earth, being earthbound he deactivates Chamber and lives with the natives.

1B) Same as 1A but Chamber isn't completely under control. In order to protect the Gargantians and Whalesquids he reactivates the mass driver and launches himself with Chamber into space. They go to find the wormhole generator, with the excuse of returning to GA, set it to self destruct so it can't be reused. Ledo goes to his heroic demise taking all information on Earth with him.

1C) Ledo and chamber crashland back into the ocean. Ledo's body merges with a whalesquid, his likeness returns to Gargantia.

2) Ledo is conflicted. He decides against further interference and decides to back to cold sleep (Hikikomori) after reuniting with the Gargantians. Amy tries to talk him out of it ... life is precious ...yada yada. Chamber becomes UBG because he's for war. Ledo decides to become a whalesquid so he can fight Chamber. Everyone in Gargantia joins him. They win, they all live squiddly every after.

Funkatron · 2013-06-02, 21:36

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Originally Posted by mikeomni

Possible endings ...

1A) Reason whalesquids are sacred, they take the dead, process them and make new humans. Fairlock de geso returns to negotiate with Ledo. Ledo realizes this is the natural cycle of earth, being earthbound he deactivates Chamber and lives with the natives.

1B) Same as 1A but Chamber isn't completely under control. In order to protect the Gargantians and Whalesquids he reactivates the mass driver and launches himself with Chamber into space. They go to find the wormhole generator, with the excuse of returning to GA, set it to self destruct so it can't be reused. Ledo goes to his heroic demise taking all information on Earth with him.

1C) Ledo and chamber crashland back into the ocean. Ledo's body merges with a whalesquid, his likeness returns to Gargantia.

2) Ledo is conflicted. He decides against further interference and decides to back to cold sleep (Hikikomori) after reuniting with the Gargantians. Amy tries to talk him out of it ... life is precious ...yada yada. Chamber becomes UBG because he's for war. Ledo decides to become a whalesquid so he can fight Chamber. Everyone in Gargantia joins him. They win, they all live squiddly every after.

I seriously doubt merging is still occuring:
1. The whalesquid can reproduce, as seen by those whalesquid eggs/embryos
2. Relying on people randomly falling into the ocean to create new whalesquid is inefficient
3. Whatever science created the symbiotes that fuse with humans, I seriously doubt they can bring someone back from the dead like you are suggesting. Fairlock was dead dead.

Jan-Poo · 2013-06-02, 21:45

Moreover, do people actually want to become squids after their demise?
What kind of life do they even have? They don't even need to eat since the lightbugs provide their nourishment.

Ah whatever let's face it. There isn't a single sign of a whalesquid civilization. Everything that you can see in their nest is just stuff that humans created and that was left to itself to decay and rot. In who knows how many years they didn't produce a single thing and they didn't even care to fix or do maintenance to what already existed.

Hell the Yunboroid of Pinion's brother was just left there. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a human skeleton still inside.

These whalesquids are just beasts.

Nvis · 2013-06-03, 01:03

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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Hell the Yunboroid of Pinion's brother was just left there. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a human skeleton still inside.

After looking at the data Ledo found, Pinion's brother probably became a Hideauze and gonna slap Pinion for being an idiot.

sky black swordman · 2013-06-03, 02:09

^ If he did become a Hideauze, there is possibility he may be dead yet again. After all Ledo just kill every single Hideauze present at that location.

Gravitas Free Zone · 2013-06-03, 13:05

If the series really is, at its core, a tale of young adults finding their way in the world and is meant to be positive, there has to be at least some bright spot in this for Ledo. Episode 9 has pretty much hammered home the idea that "Every part of the status quo in your world is going to suck somehow," between having people turned into squid people, killing thousands of those squid people, having your own government probably lying to you via omission, and having your AI companion stop listening to you and possibly able to fry your brain.

In that sense, just surviving is looking good!

The Ledo/Chamber confrontation would be the remaining part of breaking with his old ways, but if Chamber has at least even some attitude adjustment he would still function a character role as at least one positive representation of Ledo's past. I suppose it depends on how much the series wants to dump on parental figures.

Haruyasha · 2013-06-03, 17:10

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Originally Posted by mikeomni

Reason whalesquids are sacred, they take the dead

Actually, I believe the reason they're considered sacred is because the Hideauze provide electricity. "Coexistence"

Casshern · 2013-06-03, 17:24

I too think that they might be necessary to the ecosystem in some way, maybe with that green sparkly stuff they shed or possibly by preventing the earth from freezing again.

I'm just hoping we'll get a proper Urobucher ending with the Hideauze and Galactic Alliance utterly annihilating each other, while the Gargatians and whalesquid end up being the only survivors left of the 2 species.

Revan21 · 2013-06-06, 07:56

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Jan-Poo · 2013-06-06, 08:16

"kaeru basho e"

Doesn't that suggest that Ledo will return to the alliance?

Revan21 · 2013-06-06, 08:33

I'm thinking

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ReddyRedWolf · 2013-06-06, 10:45

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Belly Dance

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Evolver influence?

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Gargantia was a Continental Union or Galactic Alliance offshoot all along?

LKK · 2013-06-06, 11:27

My husband brought up the point that we don't know much about the Earth's peoples' history post-exodus. His speculation is that the fleet commanders know more than they're letting on. Clearly Ridget didn't know anything additional. But what if Fairlock knew more of the history than he told her? Building on that thought, I came up with the idea that when Ridget starts going through Fairlock's private records, she learns the rest of the story such as: What happened to the people (unionists & evolvers) who remained on earth? Why do the symbols in the fleet match the unionist symbols? Why do the festival costumes seem to mimic the whalesquids? There's more to know & I hope we learn it in the next episode.

ReddyRedWolf · 2013-06-06, 15:05

Here is a theory Earth's wormhole gate still works. Some Drifters that broke off from the Alliance rediscovered it and integrated with the locals.

This is where the idea of combined fleets come from. As it emulates the combined colony fleets in space.

2013-06-02, 10:48	Link #142
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	We so need a crossover fanfiction with Ledo and Ika-Musume now. It must end with the two getting married and raising their little hideauze children. __________________

2013-06-02, 21:45	Link #149
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Moreover, do people actually want to become squids after their demise? What kind of life do they even have? They don't even need to eat since the lightbugs provide their nourishment. Ah whatever let's face it. There isn't a single sign of a whalesquid civilization. Everything that you can see in their nest is just stuff that humans created and that was left to itself to decay and rot. In who knows how many years they didn't produce a single thing and they didn't even care to fix or do maintenance to what already existed. Hell the Yunboroid of Pinion's brother was just left there. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a human skeleton still inside. These whalesquids are just beasts. __________________

2013-06-03, 02:09	Link #151
sky black swordman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: California	^ If he did become a Hideauze, there is possibility he may be dead yet again. After all Ledo just kill every single Hideauze present at that location. __________________

2013-06-06, 07:56	Link #155
Revan21 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Middle of Nowhere Age: 39	New image Spoiler for Image: So Colonel Kugel is returning? I cannot make it out from the background but his unit might be lying on the ocean's floor too! __________________

2013-06-06, 08:16	Link #156
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	"kaeru basho e" Doesn't that suggest that Ledo will return to the alliance? __________________

2013-06-02, 17:15	Link #144
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	On the bright side? (Bright side? Am I crazy?) We see Pinion's brother's Yunboro inside the building, and the final shot of the preview for Episode 10 looks like Pinion pouring out the contents of a flask, so at least maybe there's some resolution for one character's background event coming up.

2013-06-02, 20:33	Link #145
duckroll 綺羅星★！ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 42	Hahahahahahahaha omg it turned out to be true! LOL.

2013-06-02, 21:04	Link #146
Funkatron Highly irregular Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Age: 41	So after this I don't see Ledo turning whalesquid hugger but he isn't going back to the GA either. I think he is going to end up living on the Gargantia with Amy, after of course dealing with whatever 'traitor' fail-safe Chamber has. Chamber has to have one, seeing how controlling the GA is. He's going to realize that Ledo no longer wants to fight for the cause and may label him and possibly the Gargantia fleet as traitors to humanity. If he has a protocol to deal with traitors, Ledo is in it deep.

2013-06-02, 21:16	Link #147
mikeomni Member Join Date: Apr 2013	Possible endings ... 1A) Reason whalesquids are sacred, they take the dead, process them and make new humans. Fairlock de geso returns to negotiate with Ledo. Ledo realizes this is the natural cycle of earth, being earthbound he deactivates Chamber and lives with the natives. 1B) Same as 1A but Chamber isn't completely under control. In order to protect the Gargantians and Whalesquids he reactivates the mass driver and launches himself with Chamber into space. They go to find the wormhole generator, with the excuse of returning to GA, set it to self destruct so it can't be reused. Ledo goes to his heroic demise taking all information on Earth with him. 1C) Ledo and chamber crashland back into the ocean. Ledo's body merges with a whalesquid, his likeness returns to Gargantia. 2) Ledo is conflicted. He decides against further interference and decides to back to cold sleep (Hikikomori) after reuniting with the Gargantians. Amy tries to talk him out of it ... life is precious ...yada yada. Chamber becomes UBG because he's for war. Ledo decides to become a whalesquid so he can fight Chamber. Everyone in Gargantia joins him. They win, they all live squiddly every after.

2013-06-03, 13:05	Link #152
Gravitas Free Zone Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012	If the series really is, at its core, a tale of young adults finding their way in the world and is meant to be positive, there has to be at least some bright spot in this for Ledo. Episode 9 has pretty much hammered home the idea that "Every part of the status quo in your world is going to suck somehow," between having people turned into squid people, killing thousands of those squid people, having your own government probably lying to you via omission, and having your AI companion stop listening to you and possibly able to fry your brain. In that sense, just surviving is looking good! The Ledo/Chamber confrontation would be the remaining part of breaking with his old ways, but if Chamber has at least even some attitude adjustment he would still function a character role as at least one positive representation of Ledo's past. I suppose it depends on how much the series wants to dump on parental figures.

2013-06-03, 17:24	Link #154
Casshern Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	I too think that they might be necessary to the ecosystem in some way, maybe with that green sparkly stuff they shed or possibly by preventing the earth from freezing again. I'm just hoping we'll get a proper Urobucher ending with the Hideauze and Galactic Alliance utterly annihilating each other, while the Gargatians and whalesquid end up being the only survivors left of the 2 species.

2013-06-06, 08:33	Link #157
Revan21 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Middle of Nowhere Age: 39	I'm thinking Spoiler for Final battle speculation: Ledo is now disillusioned with the war but the returning Kugel will keep on pushing him into further conflicts that will eventually endanger the Gargantia and it's people. Ledo will probably choose to save them (and the squids too) by defeating Kugel in mecha vs mecha battle. __________________

2013-06-06, 10:45	Link #158
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Images Belly Dance Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Evolver influence? Images Gargantia symbol Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? Gargantia was a Continental Union or Galactic Alliance offshoot all along?

2013-06-06, 11:27	Link #159
LKK Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Age: 62	My husband brought up the point that we don't know much about the Earth's peoples' history post-exodus. His speculation is that the fleet commanders know more than they're letting on. Clearly Ridget didn't know anything additional. But what if Fairlock knew more of the history than he told her? Building on that thought, I came up with the idea that when Ridget starts going through Fairlock's private records, she learns the rest of the story such as: What happened to the people (unionists & evolvers) who remained on earth? Why do the symbols in the fleet match the unionist symbols? Why do the festival costumes seem to mimic the whalesquids? There's more to know & I hope we learn it in the next episode. __________________ Avatar: Hazuki of Natsuyuki Rendezvous / Signature: flowers from Natsuyuki Rendezvous

2013-06-06, 15:05	Link #160
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Here is a theory Earth's wormhole gate still works. Some Drifters that broke off from the Alliance rediscovered it and integrated with the locals. This is where the idea of combined fleets come from. As it emulates the combined colony fleets in space.