2008-08-04, 03:58 | Link #1263 |
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It is. It's just that it's canon just as much as it's not.
SSM works by half-addressing the questions (( of viewers )) and told/explained through the canon characters by half-breaking 4th walls to give a look into the characters and their situations as the moment goes. And despite Hayate, Nanoha, Fate, Vivio supposedly being in the same place doing this talk and questionnaires, it's also done so that conversations can be seemingly ignored by others there, like Vivio not saying anything in regards to Hayate and Nanoha's opinion of her and Fate. M2 was also done similar this way, but I don't recall it being that wall-breaking.
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2008-08-04, 06:09 | Link #1267 | |
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Yeah, maybe we shouldn't take SSMs too seriously
For one thing though, in SSM2 they talk as if time flows at different speed ("It's been 10 years for us, well, maybe not that long for you though."), yet Arisa & Suzuka still are same age with Aces etc... Quote:
Fate says Zafira is teaching about investigation to Ginga... as much as you feel it's weird, I do as well And that limiter talk is meant that as long as he keeps his wolf form, he doesn't generate "unit cost" so he can stay there without worrying about 108th unit's cost limit. EDIT: Just listened SSM3 again, it was Fate that mentioned about "Zafira being Ginga's teacher of investigation" \(^o^)/ |
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2008-08-04, 06:46 | Link #1269 |
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Latin and Japanese tenses always get me running into walls. I was there thinking if Zafira or Ginga was in the genitive...
Maybe our approach to the SSM should be like the novel; take some parts that work, and alter those that don't slightly? Only problem is, we're gonna need them fully translated before making any decision...
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2008-08-04, 07:01 | Link #1270 | |||
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Pretty sure, for not only I heard it that way, I haven't seen anyone on 2ch heard it the way "Ginga teaches Zafira", whereas more than a few of "Zafira teaches Ginga, that's weird " responses were there.
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2008-08-04, 12:16 | Link #1272 | |
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About the this specific case, the question was kind of forced and it isn't specifically about the asked person, but about the people surrounding her, so if her opinion matches or not the objective reality is just a matter of chance, of her current mood, of her knowledge about the issue and the involved persons, and about what she wants to say. Cuídate y sigue sonriendo |
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2008-08-04, 12:22 | Link #1273 |
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Hm, I've been wondering what the complete list of Nanoha Sound Stages there are.
I know there are Nanoha SS01, SS02, SS03 Nanoha A's SS01, SS02, SS03 Nanoha StrikerS SS01, SS02, SS03, SS04, M3 and Megami Sound Stage... So why are people saying there's a M2?
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2008-08-04, 12:44 | Link #1274 | |||
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I'm curious how Vivio views the rest of the Wolkenritter (especially Vita) was there anything about that in the Sound Stage? Last edited by Keroko; 2008-08-04 at 13:10. |
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2008-08-04, 12:51 | Link #1275 | |
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SSM2 is an appendix of Megami Vol.84(May 2007 edition) SSM3 is an appendix of Megami Vol.100(Sep 2008 edition) |
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2008-08-04, 15:34 | Link #1276 | |
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Megami Vol.100 does have the M3 Sound Stage I still have no idea which one has the M2 Sound Stage. Megami Vol.68 has the Christmas Special thing. |
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2008-08-04, 16:06 | Link #1277 | |
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In the other hand, in the extreme case that Nanoha were to see, or better if directly Vivio were to see her relationship with Fate really as sisters, then we still have the problem of what means sisters for all of them. We have our Nanoha born in Japan with a real sister, living now in Mid-Childa, with a culture potentially conceiving different concept of community and family, and we have our Vivio with a very twisted situation, but not more twisted than Fate's. Depending on their treat, the time they spent together, and other factors an older sister or brother in many or cultures can play a role even more important than the parents, probably some of you are familiar with this too, so we have a problem here, and we can even consider something like "we're both parents, but she's more close to our daughter, she's like her sister, too".... ...so as you can see this is far away to be something conclusive, personally I don't mind about what is canon and about what isn't, since the fandom will keep going with its own force even if they kill Nanoha and Fate, because that's the greatest about this series, the fans, it isn’t the show by itself. But I believe too that there isn't any more a thing such as "canon" in this series, when the scenario is this open there are only things that are accepted by the community due to convention or for self interest of the fandom, that way the producers of the franchise can listen to their public and give them what they really want, I think this is that kind of anime. You know that I don't like this series too much, but 7 Arcs is doing a good job with the fans, I can't wait to see what they will do with the movie and the next season ^^ Cuídense y sigan sonriendo |
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2008-08-04, 16:29 | Link #1278 | |
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About Vivio seeing Fate less like a mother... Wouldn't it be because Fate isn't around as much any more? She plays with Vivio when she's home, but she doesn't have the time to really "raise" her, does she? (I'm reminded of that comic where Vivio ended up concluding that Fate was her "papa"...) |
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2008-08-04, 16:40 | Link #1279 | |
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Anyways according to this: http://nanoha.julynet.jp/?DVD%2CCD#d1c8742e is what CDs have come out for sound stages and albums and stuff. Yeah Japanese Nanoha wiki!
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2008-08-04, 16:44 | Link #1280 | |||
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I'm not quit cut off the internet yet, thankfully. Tomorrow I shall have to revert to the dark ages of dialup to get my regular fix. :3
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I'm not sure of the Japanese familial culture when it comes to siblings, though, but they do have particularly strong family bonds; they'd have to to survive such a hectic lifestyle. Another speaking from a purely hypothetical angle, wouldn't a sibling be of more importance that a father, when the father works such extremely long hours, every weekday, spends so long commuting, and has barely enough energy to collapse onto a sofa on their day off? Someone has to fill the gap, and one would surely look to an older sibling in this case? I feel deep responsibility for my siblings (I am the oldest) as I think I have greater power to shape them than either of my parents. Out of principle, my brother rejects much of what our parents say, and comes to me for advice. I cite abnormal upbringings again. The little guy cried when I went off to Tokyo for a couple of weeks, but he has no trouble leaving his father. Little note: You mean “treatment” not “treat” in this sense. Quote:
Maybe one day Seven Arcs will let the hammer fall, probably in the finale, where they have nothing to loose. And you mean you aren't keen on StrikerS, right? |
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