2008-10-19, 12:03 | Link #2103 |
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both were piloting (at different points in the show) a machine that Lloyd said no one could pilot (and he built one, and all but rebuilt the other)
lelouch could pilot a machine but only real pilots can use a tallgise
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2008-10-19, 12:06 | Link #2104 | |
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Lloyd is a fool, he goes, "Nobody can pilot this thing!" Kallen goes, "This is exactly the same as the old Guren! Piece of cake." There's a bit of a continuity issue there. |
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2008-10-19, 12:11 | Link #2105 | |
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actually kallen being able to use the SEITEN makes sense she did know the old guren like the back of her hand (no other pilot in the show had as much personal and emotional conection to their machine) she just needed to learn how to use the new fetures instead of learning it all from scratch (which any britannian test pilot would have to) its like learning to jaggle while learning to ride a bike (at the same time) kallen already know how to jaggle and how to ride a bike and only needed to learn to do then at the same time suzaku on the other hand is rather odd but that was the whole point of his character in the first season (the kira yamato born to pilot thing)
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2008-10-19, 12:11 | Link #2106 | |
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Oh, and there's also something that disproves your argument- the Rounds. How they were depicted in R2 aside, they're the 12 most, read, skilled KMF pilots in Britannia. Did you think they would give those positions to Faceless Mook A to L? |
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2008-10-19, 12:22 | Link #2107 | |
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the only named rounds are 0, 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12. The former Knight of 7 became the former Knight of Zero, so the guy who would/could have replaced Suzaku is unknown. Knight of 2, 5, 8 and 11 are unknown as well. We can only assume that Knight of Eleven was Japanese. Otherwise they are in fact, faceless mooks. Anyways, piloting a Knightmare is all about the system. If you know the system you know the Frame. If Lloyd modified the system Kallen should still have some difficulty because the only Britannian Knightmare she's ever touched is the Glasgow, which is way outdated by now. |
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2008-10-19, 12:27 | Link #2108 |
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Britannian and Japanese KMFs (the SEITEN still being the latter) have the exact same controls. And I don't see why they would modify the control yolk anyway.
And the reason that 2, 5, 8, and 11 weren't shown was because not all the seats were filled. That doesn't mean they suck at piloting. And 0 was a rank created by Lelouch for the purpose of a rather ironic name. |
2008-10-19, 12:28 | Link #2109 | |
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its the other things that were different (she said it looks different) and she did read the Fing manual
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2008-10-19, 12:54 | Link #2110 | |
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If you could learn how to pilot the KMF by reading the manual then it proves my point. Rivalz is the best pilot ever. |
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2008-10-19, 12:56 | Link #2111 | |
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she read the manual about the new fetures add to her old machine (which she spent over a year piloting and knew like the back of her hand)
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2008-10-19, 13:24 | Link #2113 |
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Again, I stress, Kallen has skill, which does exist. Just because you read a manual doesn't mean you're king of the hill. You can pilot the damn thing, sure, but battle's a different beast. Tamaki, on the other hand, served to get shot down time and time again.
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2008-10-19, 13:32 | Link #2114 |
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suzaku was able to use the lancelot while other test pilots couldnt even make it move
kallen could use her glassgo to take out saterlands and jeremia was able to fight off 4 saterlands alone skill is very much a factor
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2008-10-19, 15:14 | Link #2115 |
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Just look at what happens inside the cockpit. It's all just pull levers and push buttons (or typing for Lelouch).
Kallen didn't destroy any Sutherlands with the Glasgow. She's only managed to run away from Jeremiah. Suzaku only showed the highest feedback ratings in Lancelot. Anyone was able to make it move. Jeremiah was getting his ass kicked before Suzaku showed up. If Kewell had some common sense and just started off by using the Chaos Mine instead of letting his ego get in the way Jeremiah would be dead. Nobody ever fights seriously against Kallen while they go all out on Tamaki. For example, when Suzaku defeats Tamaki, he slices him with the MVS and then shoots him with the VARIS. Against Kallen, Suzaku uses his MVS in situations where the VARIS and the wing blasts were clearly the better options, resulting in his losing the VARIS. He also cuts up Xingke's slash harkens yet allows Kallen to knock his swords out of his hands with her harkens. If you go further back into the first season, if Suzaku just flew in the air and fired VARIS shots in Stage 24 Kallen would be dead before R2. Piloting a KMF is easy, no skill involved. It's the fact that the pilots lack common sense that creates this mirage that skill exists. |
2008-10-19, 15:20 | Link #2116 | |
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Also, you clearly didn't see Kallen, oh, caving in the floor on a practical army of Sutherlands. Go watch Stage 2 again. Mind you as well, Kallen could dodge VARIS shots, and Jeremiah likewise with a Chaos Mine. Oh, but I guess they can't, because something that requires skill to be done can't be done because skill is nonexistant. And Suzaku Harkened Tamaki, otherwise he would be dead. And no-one was able to make the Lancelot move beyond a twitch before Suzaku came around. Oh, but since they made it move, I guess they're the best pilots ever. Do describe this lack of common sense, please, as well. I'm honestly intrigued. |
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2008-10-19, 15:47 | Link #2118 | |
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Anyways, Kallen doesn't have the knowledge to shoot the slash harken at that specific point. Lelouch probably told her to do that. Also, you can't dodge a chaos mine. Truth is truth. It sprays everywhere, you can only pray your shielding is good enough. Ok fine, he slashed harkened Tamaki. he still used more effort against him than he did against Kallen. He had an entire coversation with her before he came to his senses and started to blast her. Which brings me to what I was talking about with common sense. In a battlefield, you do not have conversations you shoot the hell out of your opponent. (Suzaku, Kallen) You also do not wait for your enemies to try to figure out your power and Knightmare equipment potential (Rolo) You do not finish off an enemy (Gino) halfway (Suzaku) and allow him to come back in an even stronger robot (Tristan Divider) When you have two ultra powerful VARIS and a set of energy wings with blasts and you see a slash harken coming towards you you do not throw your guns down and catch the harken. (Suzaku) It would be wiser to fly back using your super speed and shoot the harken and the knightmare to death (Gino, Tristan) Do not take your time in defeating the enemy commander. You will lose your four sexy subordinates and get blown up due to a radiation surge if you do so. (Luciano) When in a pinch, do not operate your Knightmare in an abnormal way, e.g. crossing your arms while typing on the keyboard There's so many more. The producers destroy the characters' common sense in order to progress the story. It's so full of lolz. Would you please stop trolling? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about since Tamaki was hit by Slash Harkens, not the VARIS (he'd be dead), and Suzaku wasn't even trying against him. You can just shut up. I've already explained how people actually try against Tamaki and used Kallen as the counterexample. VARIS or harken it's both the same. Yes, I clearly have no idea what I am talking about because I do not bother memorizing every detail of every episode of Code Geass. |
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2008-10-19, 15:55 | Link #2119 |
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You have no idea what you're talking about because you're deliberately trolling, which is also "quite rude".
Oh, yes, this is also anime. Not everything has to run on common sense, because if it did, it would be boring as hell, especially if Geass relied on common sense to please viewers. Analyzing a Frame's power potential, having conversations that try to expand on characters and not blowing the shit out of them otherwise, having ninth-gen Frames adds differentiation from the norm...and I'll also provide counters. * Gino was the only one out of the Rounds he faced that he was willing to spare. * Luciano had only just started drilling away at the Shinkiro proper before Kallen came along. Shinkiro's shields, despite being drained, were still rather impenetrable. And Luciano made a logical move by retreating as well, otherwise he would have been killed along with the Valkyries by the pinballing SEITEN. * The Tristan's Harkens were big as all heck. Suzaku had no choice other than to drop the guns (which were replaced or recovered the very same episode) and grab the oncoming projectiles. * Crossing your arms has no detrimental effect. For Lelouch, anyway. Though it seems you wanted Geass to be a bread and butter show that relied on common sense and not a degree of fantasy to keep us interested. |
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