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2012-08-05, 09:01 | Link #82 |
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Good idea about sending a clone to the alternate dimension...Tobi is severely depowered IMO now that kakashi has figured out it is only one jutsu. I hope that he makes an attempt to actually cancel Tobi jutsu (just like Tobi did) therefore preventing him from phasing out that way narutos attack land full on....unless the 10 tails or edo Madara interferes...
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2012-08-05, 12:54 | Link #83 | |
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2012-08-05, 12:58 | Link #84 | |
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So expect Tobi to take the advantage in a big way. I guess the 10 tails will be unleashed or we will see some uber Tobi mode. As much as a Tobi and Madara meeting makes sense, I get the sense from Kishi's interview that Madara is not done with the Kages. |
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2012-08-09, 23:50 | Link #95 | |
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The first set, Itachi's eyes, had two distinct techniques (Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu) that combined to form a third (Susano'o). The second set, Sasuke's eyes, had one distinct technique (Amaterasu) and a support ability to the distinct technique (Enton) that combined together to form another distinct technique (Susano'o). (Of course, there is still some debate as to whether or not Enton is Sasuke's other MS technique, or if he also has Tsukuyomi, only weaker than Itachi's (much the same as Sasuke's Amaterasu being more powerful than Itachi's).) If Tobi's technique is an MS jutsu, and it is Obito's other eye, then Obito's eyes do not follow either of the preexisting patterns for the MS. Specifically, Tobi's technique already does Kamui but with something extra (being able to send and return), consequently it is neither truly distinct from Kakashi's eye nor is it a support for Kakashi's eye (and Kakashi's eye technique is neither distinct nor a support for Tobi's eye (since Kakashi's eye is inferior)). In other words, what is the point of Obito having two eyes that do not help each other (Tobi, if he is using Obito's eye, obviously doesn't need help from Kakashi's eye to do whatever it is he is doing) or simply do similar techniques? Additionally, even considering that Obito's eyes could be similar to Shisui's (which seem to have only had one MS technique copied in each eye (which is explained due to the fact that the technique has a 1 year cool down period in between uses), Kakashi's and Tobi's techniques, while similar, are too different for them to be the same technique since one is clearly superior to the other (admittedly, Kakashi's chakra could have negatively influenced his borrowed eye, or maybe the full eye power only develops in an Uchiha body (of which only part of Tobi's body can be considered Uchiha)). What we do know is that other MS's have existed in the past, and some abilities and techniques are already known (Amaterasu and Susano'o are shared between Sasuke and Itachi (and Susano'o has been confirmed for many other MS users), and it has been hinted at multiple times that other MS users have had the same techniques ( in the past). So, even if Kakashi and Tobi's technique is the same (or close enough), that does not mean the eyes came from the same source, it could simply mean that the eyes are able to access similar powers like other eyes in the past have already done. |
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2012-08-10, 01:03 | Link #98 |
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The latter.
Basically Enton are the black flame themselves or rather the field of jutsu making use of them. Amaterasu is such a jutsu, the ability to summon and move those flames with your sight, whereas Kagutsuchi is the ability to apply Keitai Henka to the flames in order to manipulate their forms, movement and purpose. |
2012-08-10, 01:43 | Link #100 |
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i don't think there really is any pattern to MS techniques among the different users we've seen aside from both eyes being able to potentially summon susano'o. itachi's eyes each had totally different powers. sasuke's have support qualities (amaterasu and then the ability to manipulate and extinguish it) and shisui apparently had the same technique in each eye.
if tobi does indeed have obito's other eye, there's nothing we can draw from those examples to explain why it seems to be a more advanced kamui technique. it seems to me that both obito's eyes had the kamui ability and tobi is simply more advanced at using it than kakashi. there are subtle differences though, like tobi not being able to use it at a distance like kakashi can. at least he's never demonstrated that ability. he always needs to be touching people or things in order to suck them into the other dimension. kakashi has arguably the better technique in that case since he doesn't have to put his body in harm's way in order to do it. but of course tobi's phasing ability or self-dimensional traveling is far more advanced than what kakashi can do |
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