Character Discussion - Kallen

[Bonzo]

Originally Posted by blottyparchment

Just curious. In your universe, meaning your story, given ten or more years when they've had children, do you think Lelouch can come to appreciate Kallen and return her love after all she's done for him?

Well, the passed years are 6, kallen had the children when she was 21.
However if you read all the events summary, you will understand Lelouch "used" Kallen, to give to C.C the feelings, sensations about to be really loved, the happiness to be a parent, etc...
But at last, under C.C order, Lelouch will try to repay Kallen's feelings with feelings

[Bonzo]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

P.S
ditto bonzo

Ehm....what do you mean?

[bladeofdarkness]

i also liked it

[Bonzo]

I see, I hope all is clear now, Lelouch at last used kallen like always.
Only at the end, finally (under C.C suggestion) he tries to understand Kallen need TRUE affection, not only a performance.

And the result will be this sketch for the next chapter, a sort of OAV:

http://sabrinaonline.altervista.org/...ouchfamily.JPG

Lelouch and Kallen (30 years old) with their children, Naoto, Shirley, Nicholas and Elizabeth (C.C real name in my comic).

[Nobodyman9]

I have to say that I too really liked this Alternate Ending. In fact, I liked it so much that I'm this close to becoming a Kalulu fan. Don't get me wrong, Shirlulu is still my OTP, but I never thought a picture of a Lelouch/Kallen family portrait would make me smile.

[blottyparchment]

Originally Posted by Bonzo

Well, the passed years are 6, kallen had the children when she was 21.
However if you read all the events summary, you will understand Lelouch "used" Kallen, to give to C.C the feelings, sensations about to be really loved, the happiness to be a parent, etc...
But at last, under C.C order, Lelouch will try to repay Kallen's feelings with feelings

I see. That's an interesting take on their relationship. But, in your story, did you meant it in a way that Lelouch felt nothing at all for Kallen and was only staying because he was indebted to her? Or he couldn't allow himself to love for his own sake because of his seeming obligation(?) or absolute desire(?) to give C.C. the love that she yearned for?

Sorry for being pesky ^^

[Bonzo]

Well, you can think this, Lelouch is a little "asshole" but he's honest...Kallen destroyed her future for him, for this he accepted her support in despite he asked to cut EVERY contact with all the people (Nunnally too) Lelouch respect for Kallen is TOTAL.
And Lelouch had a promise with C.C, her wish was "to be really loved" then lelouch want to keep the promise, but the only available woman was Kallen....and everybody know Zero is a good actor.

Lelouch can't forget Shirley and Elizabeth (c.c), for this he's so offish with Kallen, however he's very responsable about the children, but at last C.C gived him the "sharp", the necrophilia isn't a good thing and Lelouch must to think about his future too, to feel love for dead people isn't wise.

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Bonzo

Lelouch can't forget Shirley and Elizabeth (c.c), for this he's so offish with Kallen, however he's very responsable about the children, but at last C.C gived him the "sharp", the necrophilia isn't a good thing and Lelouch must to think about his future too, to feel love for dead people isn't wise.

Okay, I understand what you're trying to say here and I know that English isn't your first language, but necrophilia, to be precise, is the act or desire to have sex with dead people (eww). But I know you meant it in the sense that Lelouch still loved Shirley and C.C. and couldn't move on.

Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with "loving" a dead person. I mean you can still love your grandparents or parents or other family after they're dead an there's nothing wrong with that. But I do agree that it's a good idea that people shouldn't let a dead person (even a loved one) hold them back. They should be able to move on with their lives and help and care about those around them. Of course, there's also nothing wrong with remembering those you've lost and keeping them in your heart.

[SonOfHeaven]

Originally Posted by Nobodyman9

Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with "loving" a dead person. I mean you can still love your grandparents or parents or other family after they're dead an there's nothing wrong with that. But I do agree that it's a good idea that people shouldn't let a dead person (even a loved one) hold them back. They should be able to move on with their lives and help and care about those around them. Of course, there's also nothing wrong with remembering those you've lost and keeping them in your heart.

When I read this, I was thinking about Kallen. Since it sounds exactly what she is doing now.

[Bonzo]

Yes, but there's a big difference about to feel respect and love for a dead relative in comparison to a dead lover.
If you can't forget the loved girl, you can't to think about the future or to evolve, then the existance still freeze in the present.
This is the key about Lelouch condition and this is for Suzaku too, but Lelouch, finally decided, Kallen deserve more of a performed love.

In the next OAV chapter all the situation is around Suzaku, 12 years are passed, but he's still only the knight of zero and Nunnally's guardian....stop, his thoughts are blocked at year 2018 again, for Euphemia.

[Bonzo]

For the rest, thanks Levy suggestion, I exhuming a comic discarded page, it was the original first page of chapter 25, but I eliminated it, because that page explained too much, then a ruin for all final surprises.

But why don't use it how a "special stage" like the dvd picture drama? But Beware, I'll explain a story parenthesis, not a useless fanservice like the original picture dramas.

[Frostfire]

Originally Posted by SonOfHeaven

When I read this, I was thinking about Kallen. Since it sounds exactly what she is doing now.

It's not really, Kallen is moving forward she's not being held back.

Choosing not to love someone else and not moving forward are very different things. In this case, Bonzo's, Lelouch was stuck on the past love and not even moving forward other than due to "duty". Kallen is moving on because she was given a life to live by the person she loved.

[Bonzo]

A little preview about the Sp Event.

You can consider it a "Special stage" like the picture drama in the CG dvd.
This episode happened between chp 24 and 25:

[Lolipopo]

It was a really nice last chapter Bonzo (sorry for the wait BTW, kinda busy) Though Two things didn't really pleased me :'P
Firstly, some scene didn't really seemed useful, I really thought it was kinda odd to see Lelouch naked toping Kallen (with every details...) and and this scene in the shower. It ...didn't fit.

Now the second thing is about how Lelouch is forcing himself to finally return her feelings. Dunno, I think Kallen deserved better than a forced love and that she doesn't fit to a consolation prize. Now I don't know, maybe that's why I'm way too stuck on the original story, but the whole thing about "Lelouch stuck on his wish to fulfill CC's own wish" and Lelouch unable to forget CC and Shirley makes me think that finally Lelouch had those feelings for CC and Shirley but it wasn't the case for Kallen.

The very fact that finally he choose to return Kallen's feelings at the end BECAUSE CC told him so doesn't help...

Now it was a really nice alternate ending, with a nice way to draw, but I can't help but feel a little cheated on the ending, even though their future should be better.

[Bonzo]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

The very fact that finally he choose to return Kallen's feelings at the end BECAUSE CC told him so doesn't help...

I know, the message was Lelouch decided to continue to live because CC is "inside" his head, etc...etc...

But CC never asked him to do all this, Lelouch made it just how a personal debt (this was his idea) I know, the finale message "I'm dead, you must live for living people and Kallen need more of a performed love" is a little forced, but Lelouch is that kind of person able to understand he must change only when no other options are available.

[Arkard]

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

It was a really nice last chapter Bonzo (sorry for the wait BTW, kinda busy) Though Two things didn't really pleased me :'P
Firstly, some scene didn't really seemed useful, I really thought it was kinda odd to see Lelouch naked toping Kallen (with every details...) and and this scene in the shower. It ...didn't fit.

Now the second thing is about how Lelouch is forcing himself to finally return her feelings. Dunno, I think Kallen deserved better than a forced love and that she doesn't fit to a consolation prize. Now I don't know, maybe that's why I'm way too tuck on the original story, but the whole thing about "Lelouch stuck on his wish to fulfill CC's own wish" and Lelouch unable to forget CC and Shirley makes me think that finally Lelouch had those feelings for CC and Shirley but it wasn't the case for Kallen.

The very fact that finally he choose to return Kallen's feelings at the end BECAUSE CC told him so doesn't help...

Now it was a really nice alternate ending, with a nice way to draw, but I can't help but feel a little cheated on the ending, even though their future should be better.

What didn't fit imo was Kallen sending naked pictures of herself and Lelouch to Nunnally. "Happy Birthday, here's us in OUR birthday suits and pictures of what your brother did to me!"

Rivalz got the true "consolation prize" status, because apparently Geass can even reverse homosexuality and a desire to pleasure oneself via inanimate objects! J/K

Pretty much agree with all the other points, but an excellent job, I really enjoyed the work Bonzo. The artwork was great. Thank you for the time you put into this.

Edit: Should've drawn little Shirley with a Tabatacchi plush imo!

[Nobodyman9]

Originally Posted by Arkard

What didn't fit imo was Kallen sending naked pictures of herself and Lelouch to Nunnally. "Happy Birthday, here's us in OUR birthday suits and pictures of what your brother did to me!"

Even better question. Who the hell even took those photos in the first place?!

Rivalz got the true "consolation prize" status, because apparently Geass can even reverse homosexuality and a desire to pleasure oneself via inanimate objects! J/K

Rivalz marrying Nina and Cornelia turning lezbo were pretty much the only things I didn't like about it, but I'm not picky and I know it's bonzo's manga and he has the right to do with it what he wants.

[bladeofdarkness]

dont listen to them bonzo
keep up the artistic nudity when ever you think its deserving
and nina is bi
you can make her fall for rai in the game

[Bonzo]

About Nina is really simple, often a person victim of amnesia change his character too...
Nina lost only a part of memory, but forgetting Euphemia, she lost more of her bad habits.
At the beginning, Rivalz married Nina to give her a hand (about to build a new identity to protect her), a big example of true friendship and often the friendship can to mute in something of more big.

For the photos kallen sent to nunnally, Lelouch is under surveillance, then all the house is under control, bugs, micro-cameras, etc...then Kallen asked a compilation of "screenshots" ripped by surveillance records.

For Cornelia, well...it's very easy a woman change her sex instinct after a very big "love trouble" she lost Guilford and she seen on Nonette a sort of shoulder for to cry etc...at last she was involved too much in the Nonette new family and....she tried.
But more time passed before Cornelia really accept her new condition, if you remember she's upset every time Kaguya joke about that kind of situation.

[Arkard]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

dont listen to them bonzo
keep up the artistic nudity when ever you think its deserving
and nina is bi
you can make her fall for rai in the game

Was a joke! Well aware of Rai. Actually I think everything in my post except the Tabatacchi plush and the thanks for the work were jokes. I can totally see Kallen dressing as a giant Tabatacchi with a Santa Hat for Christmas /nod