Danganronpa 3: Future Arc - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[stray]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Yes I have and Chisa isn't Junko. She has a right to have both different feelings and reasons for her behavior.

Ok, she's not Junko, but by your logic Yukizome would have been completely at odds with Junko if she had even the slightest idea of what happened in DR0. Or does Junko get a pass for some reason?

She could be as fucked up as Munakata and Juzo on the black/twisted hope side; we really don't get to know her at all in Future... but to suggest she's part of Junko's despair when they disagree on such a fundamental level (that you're saying she would kill for) seems kind of asinine.

[Homura7]

I think I'm beggining to undestand why the survivor counter and the current number don't match.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by stray

Ok, she's not Junko, but by your logic Yukizome would have been completely at odds with Junko if she had even the slightest idea of what happened in DR0. Or does Junko get a pass for some reason?

She could be as fucked up as Munakata and Juzo on the black/twisted hope side; we really don't get to know her at all in Future... but to suggest she's part of Junko's despair when they disagree on such a fundamental level (that you're saying she would kill for) seems kind of asinine.

Mr Luck also isn't really on junko's side (as Monaca remarked in the game) yet clearly one of the despairs. Don't forget they all got Mindwashed you can't predict the outcome here - see that thing.
We also know CHisa does have some kind of psychosis at the time she is narrating (See her outburst when talking about her time in the reserve course). And that doesn't even consider her already quirky character that threatens her students to cut off fingers.

Originally Posted by Alpha Knight

I think I'm beggining to undestand why the survivor counter and the current number don't match.

There are really just three options:

-Hagakure is counted, which would make it the right number
- Togami got added to the count after someone died
- Hagakure has never been counted and someone dead is still alive

My money goes to the last one - has been obvious from the start that they are going to pull this when Chisa died in EP 1.

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

-Hagakure is counted, which would make it the right number

On that note, if you watch the opening you'll notice what Hagakure is wearing in his wrist isn't one of those bracelets. Kodaka doing it again

- Togami got added to the count after someone died

They are not in the original building anymore, so that's a no-no.

- Hagakure has never been counted and someone dead is still alive

My money goes to the last one - has been obvious from the start that they are going to pull this when Chisa died in EP 1.

Undoubtely. But you know what is the most intriguing thing? I think, that all this time the killer has been among them. And I don't mean the possible fake corpse.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Alpha Knight

Undoubtely. But you know what is the most intriguing thing? I think, that all this time the killer has been among them. And I don't mean the possible fake corpse.

tbh I personally think either Chisa or the Farmer have never been dead (my money goes to chisa here) and are just waking up everytime instead of going to sleep when the time limit passes.

- Other than that there is also my Zombie joke

To vague to guess what you mean - I assume you are theorizing that one of the characters may have a split personality though.

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

To vague to guess what you mean - I assume you are theorizing that one of the characters may have a split personality though.

Nothing related to split personalities or zombies, is something actually more feasible and consistent with what I've been observing.

The reason I think the counter is off is because Chisa is not dead, that much I can tell. But if she's not dead, where she has been all this time?

And this is where the crazy part comes, except is not really that crazy, because I'm not the only one who thought of this possibility.

And to sum it up, I have the hunch Chisa at a certain point switched places with one of the survivors she's using to trick everybody.

Spoiler for spoiler:

That someone being Aoi who bears a striking resemblance with her. In the opening both appear side face and their backgrounds share the same color. To not mention the fact Aoi's background is filled with the murder weapon.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Alpha Knight

Nothing related to split personalities or zombies, is something actually more feasible and consistent with what I've been observing.

The reason I think the counter is off is because Chisa is not dead, that much I can tell. But if she's not dead, where she has been all this time?

And this is where the crazy part comes, except is not really that crazy, because I'm not the only one who thought of this possibility.

And to sum it up, I have the hunch Chisa at a certain point switched places with one of the survivors she's using to trick everybody.

Spoiler for spoiler:

That someone being Aoi who bears a striking resemblance with her. In the opening both appear side face and their backgrounds share the same color. To not mention the fact Aoi's background is filled with the murder weapon.

Chisa is imho a lot closer to Junko than to Aoi.

As for Hagakurew - Oh yeah he indeed has a different bracelet oh and sice we are already talking about the intro :


This is Chisa's picture. Note that there are two hands in a position they couldn't realistically be considering her pose in that intro scene. - one arm would have to be way more winkled.
And please note she actually stands sideways, so one of the hands isn't where it should be - the reason it looks like those hands are behind her back is my bad cropping.
The hair there also looks way more like Junkos than her own btw.

As for Aois background - thats not the murder weapon just the knife she Monaca fake killed her with for the lolz. The murder weapon is the one where Junko (or whoever its supposed to be - looks like Junko though)can be seen in.

[Homura7]

Junko is dead. She has been since DanganRonpa, and got completely destroyed in SDR2. Nothing remains of Junko except her legacy.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Alpha Knight

Junko is dead. She has been since DanganRonpa, and got completely destroyed in SDR2. Nothing remains of Junko except her legacy.

And yet we have never seen her corpse while on the other hand there are body parts of her out there that should imho not exist.
Not to talk about AI Junko's plans to upload herself into peoples brains.

[Homura7]

Monaca Towa had been constantly regarded as Junko's succesor, but the reality is that the true inheritor of the title of 'Ultimate Despair' was Chisa Yukizome. As the former homeroom teacher of the class that fell into despair, no one is more deserving of it than her.

[stray]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Mr Luck also isn't really on junko's side (as Monaca remarked in the game) yet clearly one of the despairs. Don't forget they all got Mindwashed you can't predict the outcome here - see that thing.
We also know CHisa does have some kind of psychosis at the time she is narrating (See her outburst when talking about her time in the reserve course). And that doesn't even consider her already quirky character that threatens her students to cut off fingers.

Didn't everyone have a teacher like that somewhere along the line?

Anyway, Nagito believes in Junko's despair 100%, he just sees it as a (necessary) stepping stone to hope. Its not really comparable. Again, why would Chisa mutilate Ruruka to the extent and for the reasons you're stating if she gave Junko a pass for doing basically the exact same thing?

...actually now that I think about it there might actually be a connection between Ruruka's death and sandbox-senpai that comes up in Despair if couples week continues.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Alpha Knight

Monaca Towa had been constantly regarded as Junko's succesor, but the reality is that the true inheritor of the title of 'Ultimate Despair' was Chisa Yukizome. As the former homeroom teacher of the class that fell into despair, no one is more deserving of it than her.

Chisa is certainly involvedin this in one way or another. Imho she is either mastermind or killer, or both.

Originally Posted by stray

Didn't everyone have a teacher like that somewhere along the line?

Anyway, Nagito believes in Junko's despair 100%, he just sees it as a (necessary) stepping stone to hope. Its not really comparable. Again, why would Chisa mutilate Ruruka to the extent and for the reasons you're stating if she gave Junko a pass for doing basically the exact same thing?

...actually now that I think about it there might actually be a connection between Ruruka's death and sandbox-senpai that comes up in Despair if couples week continues.

Uhm Sandbox sempai?
Other than that the part that makes me highly doubt its JKuzou is that her pants are open all of a sudden.(or thats a realy badly animated cut).
However Juzou isn't really the type to stuff her with sweets.

[Kitsu Breaker]

Forget Hope, believe in DETERMINATION!

[stray]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Uhm Sandbox sempai?
Other than that the part that makes me highly doubt its JKuzou is that her pants are open all of a sudden.(or thats a realy badly animated cut).
However Juzou isn't really the type to stuff her with sweets.

Too lazy for spoiler boxes and Juzo just kinda makes more sense big picture.

Sort of a tangent but if Cure W ends up being effective for Kirigiri I'm almost positive we're going to find out that...

Spoiler for I fought the law...:

Munakata purposely triggered his NG code while he was roided out a few episodes ago.

[Gilly]

Having seen Chisa's NG code and considering Kyoko's remark that this situation greatly favors Munakata, I think I can say what the mastermind's goal is: to drive Munakata into despair. But this also implies that the mastermind and the attacker are two different people, and they act semi-independently. Otherwise, why kill Chisa first if she's supposed to protect Munakata with her life? Heck, this might even suggest that the attacker wants to foil the mastermind's plan... But then why don't they just kill Munakata? Perhaps it's their NG code. (Looking at you, Ryota my boy.)

[erneiz_hyde]

Crack:
Chisa is mastermind and Ryota is killer, but killer hijacked mastermind's plan and is now acting independently. That's why the supposed broadcast is not going. Maybe he was also the one who administered that cure on Kirigiri because he's starting to take interest in her like how Monaca was interested in Naegi.


But then, Robogirl/Monaca must realize that they were moved since she was conscious the whole time, maybe even helped in moving them. Why did Monaca say she didn't know who the mastermind is? Either the mastermind isn't among them, or he/she was also asleep when they're moved?

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Gilly

Having seen Chisa's NG code and considering Kyoko's remark that this situation greatly favors Munakata, I think I can say what the mastermind's goal is: to drive Munakata into despair. But this also implies that the mastermind and the attacker are two different people, and they act semi-independently. Otherwise, why kill Chisa first if she's supposed to protect Munakata with her life? Heck, this might even suggest that the attacker wants to foil the mastermind's plan... But then why don't they just kill Munakata? Perhaps it's their NG code. (Looking at you, Ryota my boy.)

the whole problem is that there is a pretty good chance Chisa's corpse is fake or at least was until a certain point of the story.

[Homura7]

The culprit is both the killer and the mastermind.

Ryota isn't the killer, but judging by the words he muttered in this episode, there's a chance he may be the unwitting pawn of the killer.

He said: "I can't keep up", which appears to be some sort of guilty feel.

And he's flimsy as fuck, he and Naegi together couldn't even move the barricade one inch.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Alpha Knight

All the hints are pointing to one and only one person as the culprit behind this: Yukizome Chisa.

- Former teacher of the class that fell into despair and are as of now confronting an entire fleet in Jabberwock island.

- Her NG triggers if the man she loves dies. And they kill her at the beggining? HA!

- Kirigiri noted the game is rigged in Munakata's favor, and no wonder.

- Tengan told Munakata the killer's identity and he snaped. Then Juzo also realized something and Munakata shut him before he could say a word.

- In the Despair arc Chisa made it clear she is prepared to defy Munakata to protect her students.

- Her imaginary death in the opening has her cuting her wrist.

This shot: https://m.imgur.com/a/GpIXW#BVgJmKi

Even if it turns out to be true, that doesn't stop it from being wild speculation based on no evidence whatsoever. All you say is "hey, it's most certainly possible and there is no evidence that it's not true, therefore it must be true".

Even if it turns out to be true, it would be shitty writing. Normally there would be hints of these things by this point.

Of course, it wouldn't be as shitty as Kirigiri being alive. That alone would probably make it the worst anime of the year. What kinda bullshit writer makes a show about people killing eachother and then have nobody actually die?

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Even if it turns out to be true, that doesn't stop it from being wild speculation based on no evidence whatsoever. All you say is "hey, it's most certainly possible and there is no evidence that it's not true, therefore it must be true".

There's evidence. Actually, there's too much evidence at this point.

Kirigiri is alive for a different reason, that also makes a lot of sense.