2012-08-28, 17:41 | Link #23181 |
Gamilas Falls
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Well at least Japan has two "aircraft carriers" to counter that with two more larger ones planned (though Japan's helicopter destroyers are much smaller and can't carry nearly as many aircraft as the ex-Soviet carrier. That and the F-35 is not ready yet).
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2012-08-28, 18:22 | Link #23183 |
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When I was in Northern Ireland in the mid-1970's I noticed the prevalence of "Remember the Battle of the Boyne" graffiti on building walls around the country. I would later tell students in my British politics course about this, remarking on how strange it was to see an event which happened hundreds of years in the past be a rallying cry for contemporary political conflict. I see a lot of the same kinds of emotions expressed here. What bearing does an event from 1609 have on politics in today's world? Perhaps it's just because I live in such a young country that I have no appreciation for attitudes like these, though I grew up a few miles from Plymouth Rock and heard often about our Pilgrim forebears. It's time to leave these arguments behind and figure out how to resolve the various territorial conflicts in the China Sea peacefully in the here and now. Concerns about sovereignty over these islands four hundred years ago seems only an impediment to resolving an international dispute in 2012. Isn't it time to move on?
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2012-08-28, 18:34 | Link #23184 |
Gamilas Falls
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Reminds me of one of the few things that bothered me about Full Metal Panic! The American sub commander envoking "Remember Pearl Harbor" around the year 2000. No only against a submarine that isn't a Japanese national vessel, but also he clearly wasn't born until after the Second World War (an average Attack Submarine Commander would not be in this 60s or older and still look like that). I know that world is different, but it is clear that the allies won World War II and that Japan was defeated more or less as per history. The radical changes don't seem to start until the 1980s....though there may have been other changes as China in divided instead of Korea.
Just the invoking of Pearl Harbor seemed way out of left field. Yet I've seen it mentioned in news comments against the Japanese from time to time (the worst being after last year's earthquake...before the number of deaths skyrocketed past 3,000).
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2012-08-28, 18:49 | Link #23185 | |
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I'm sure native Americans don't look back all too fondly on the arrival of the Pilgrim Fathers. Historic events that have present day repercussions tend to be remembered. |
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2012-08-28, 19:00 | Link #23186 | |
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Remembering is one thing. Making them the rationale for contemporary political movements or international diplomatic negotiations is another thing entirely. A lot of bad things have happened in human history. Should we continue to remain mired in those events when trying to move forward today?
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2012-08-28, 19:02 | Link #23187 | |
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You'd have to talk to an Orangeman to get their side on why it's so important to their Order. |
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2012-08-28, 19:22 | Link #23188 |
Gamilas Falls
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Which is odd given that most of the recorded fighting has been considered the Catholic side trying to regain Northern Ireland rather than Northern Irelands trying to remain part of the United Kingdom. But that's just the media.
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2012-08-28, 19:55 | Link #23189 |
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That's an overly simple way to look at it. On the Catholic side it's more about civil rights. On the Protestant side it's more about fear of Catholic domination("Home Rule is Rome Rule"). Unification of Ireland was just the most obvious means for both to occur, but was not the central issue.
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2012-08-28, 21:07 | Link #23191 | |
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How comparable is it to the Jews' remembrance of the Holocaust (and other persecution stories)? I understand that a bit better; it's meant to serve as a reminder that atrocities can be committed against you (or anyone, really) for simply being who you are. It's a reminder to speak out against persecution and extremism, because those things can lead people to do terrible things. There's a bit of a victim complex in there, too, I'll admit... the Holocaust is still fairly relevant, and many (including myself) are related to and have interacted with people who suffered through it. It will be very interesting to see how Jews' perception of the Holocaust changes as it grows farther away in history.
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2012-08-28, 21:39 | Link #23192 | |
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In practice it's often more a matter of realpolitik in international affairs. Past events can be exploited to justify power-plays. |
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Regardless of my deep-seated revulsion that white Americans once enslaved Africans, I don't think paying reparations to current African-Americans would do anything much to "address the imbalance." It would inflame the racist sentiments that still exist deep within parts of American culture and probably result in an enormously regressive backlash that would put back reconciliation between the races in this country for decades. Sometimes, you've got to "put your behind in the past," as Poomba says. Quote:
_______________ *Yes, I know the Balfour Declaration was signed in 1917, but no one paid much attention to it until after the extent of the Holocaust became known.
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2012-08-29, 02:22 | Link #23194 |
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India Supreme Court upholds death sentence for Mumbai attacker
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...87S05X20120829 Widely eyed U.S. energy data seen providing false readings http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...87S05C20120829
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2012-08-29, 05:51 | Link #23195 | |
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However it is hard to deny that the current generations still on average start out life from a less advantageous position than the overall population. To me that would justify extra investments in dedicated education and job training programs to help over come that issue. |
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2012-08-29, 08:44 | Link #23196 | |
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2012-08-29, 09:12 | Link #23197 |
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Wouldn't it be better if they redefined the entire thing in space, and cooperate with the Japanese to manufacture giant nigh-indestructible robots with commander-type ones coloured red and moving 3x faster?
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