2012-11-20, 12:40 | Link #2661 |
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The best thing I hoped for happened: Ao used the quartz gun to retcon the series' events out of existence. Shame we can't do the same with the series itself. Still there were some good things, the animation was good at times, the openings were fantastic and the soundtrack was rather good. Besides that nothing good came from this series, nothing.
I'm also starting to realise that Zeta Gundam was a fluke, the same type of fluke that led to human ancestors walking upright, Japan cannot make a good direct mecha sequel. I don't get why though, you would think they would use Zeta Gundam as a source of inspiration on how to do a mecha sequel instead they seem to avoid it like the plague. Speaking of mecha it really doesn't look good for the genre. A year ago I honestly thought 2012 would be the year mecha would make an awesome comeback. Instead, the exact opposite has happened. I fear that Unicorn will be the genre's last hurray and besides that you will be forced to play SRW if you want to experience a good mecha story.
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2012-11-20, 12:45 | Link #2662 | |
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2012-11-20, 13:17 | Link #2664 | |
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Of course, this show is riddled with inconsistencies. What exactly happens when AO fires the quartz gun is given different, conflicting answers at different points in the series. Therefore, anything you want to believe happened could have happened. Last edited by Trajan; 2012-11-20 at 13:31. |
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2012-11-20, 13:39 | Link #2665 |
The Colour of Magic
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Can someone please tell me how the hell this stuff gets sanctioned?
We've got a story here with more holes in it than a particularly large block of Swiss Cheese, a bunch of characters that are virtually cardboard cutouts (and subsequently people who we very rarely give a damn about bar Eureka and Renton), a load of convoluted plot threads that are brought up with only very few of them being closed (Okinawa independence, Naru, what the hell Truth was meant to be, Generation Bleu, that bleeding Quartz Gun etc. etc.) and, worst of all, next to no closure in the ending! The staff involved in these kinds of productions cannot all have been born with buckets of spiders attached to their heads, surely? There has to at least have been one person in that mess with more than two brain cells to rub together - that could have put together a comprehensive narrative, at the very least? I mean bloody hell, there are probably people on here that could provide a better script for AO than what this lot did. When I started watching Eureka Seven AO, I was very disappointed - because I was of the impression that it had no relation to the canon of the TV series I had watched over the course of a week or two. Now it's over, I'm still disappointed - but for the opposite reason. They should've made it completely unrelated to the original Eureka Seven and called it, I dunno, "Baron von Teapot's F***ing Ludicrous Adventures" - because this sh*ts all over the reputation of the original like there had been a leakage in the world's largest sewage factory. The soundtracks and OP/ED music (both OP's, first ED - second ED made no sense and was way too light for the second half of the show) are all I can really recommend from this shower of sh*te - which is all I could really recommend from Persona Trinity Soul too. Whoever wrote this series needs to take a long and hard look at themselves - and be kept as far away from a writing desk as humanely possible, with handcuffs if necessary. |
2012-11-20, 15:15 | Link #2667 |
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Congradulations Bones, you have successfully made a sequel that sucked worse than Aquarion Evol(mostly ending wise). And after two months, you were not able to make a decent epilogue to the story and shaft Fleur as well. The Fleur and Ao scene made me cry the first time i watched it and want to punch my computer the second. Thanks for nothing Bones and that horrible scenario/storyboard writer.
Sorry for the rant. First Zessica and now Fleur. How many more of my favorite characters does the anime industry want to screw around with? |
2012-11-20, 15:21 | Link #2668 |
Me, An Intellectual
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Wow, with all the negativity on this thread I actually half thought it was going to be as bad as everyone said it was...
At that point I should've realised that I seem to live in a alternate reality to the rest of the people on this forum. Personally I enjoyed this finale immensely. I can't say it's characters are as great as the original series but it's story kept me thrilled and engaged from start to finish. Overall: 8.0/10
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2012-11-20, 15:31 | Link #2669 | |
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@blaat: Sunrise will come in and save the mecha genre from all this slipshod stuff next year somehow, I hold fast to this belief. They just need to get through all this idol crap and sever ties with Level 5. They might not end up making the next revolutionary mecha series but I'm sure they can make something not totally insulting and with a functional cast and premise that makes some sense. Like I said earlier this is so not even remotely as hard as Bones, Satelight, I.G and Xebec are making it look of late. Its almost like they're trying to make these shows bad and utterly insulting to mecha fans. For the record I would not put Gundam AGE in the same category as this show. It had some issues, mostly with its villains and third heroes motivations but it didn't have a totally insulting cast up and down the board, stayed consistent for the most part and wasn't launching off in random directions every episode. AGE is an example of a mediocre mecha series, Ao is just bad like EVOL. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2012-11-20 at 15:58. |
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2012-11-20, 16:22 | Link #2671 |
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You can laugh as much as you want, but that's a simple fact. The show was bad.
It had good background - never used. It had no solid idea behind. Almost no existent plot(that was completely destroyed in the end). It had raised dozens of questions - 90% of the left unanswered. Most of the events just were not connected - it looked like every other episode was made by completely different group of people, without even watching the previous ones or reading the script. Script? Was there a script to begin with? Not only events were not connected - there were no logical explanation to most of them. So all in all this was one big pile of shit that just happened
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2012-11-20, 16:32 | Link #2672 |
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Thoughts galore
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Renton needed more screen time. Spoiler for Discussion of ending not everyone has seen:
Thoughts on the series: My head hurts. There weren't enough references to E7. Spoiler for Final thoughts on truth:
The series must named after AO because he's the only one with any idea what happened. That secret head is utterly useless now. |
2012-11-20, 16:38 | Link #2673 | |
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2012-11-20, 16:46 | Link #2674 |
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He has valid points. I enjoyed AO, but it clearly needed far more time to properly expand upon the dozens of story threads it introduced. 23/24 tried its best to rush through a closure to the most important ones, but far too much is still left poorly concluded or half-explained. (Not to mention, Renton and Eureka's motivations, the sister subplot and character endings were very poorly handled. Probably the most disappointing aspect, because their actions were central to the entire AO storyline. Definitely needed more episodes for this, or otherwise introduce Renton to the story much earlier.)
I do share the sentiment that the rage here seems unwarranted, because asides from the typical Bones Ending the show has been a joy to follow for me. It touched on some very interesting themes and had Ao go through a great character arc across the series. I still get the feeling that people had certain expectations of an E7 show and that AO never met those expectations seems to be the main reason for the hate. Last edited by com_gwp; 2012-11-20 at 16:58. |
2012-11-20, 16:59 | Link #2675 | |
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Like you can call it by another name and even remove the sequel to a hit series factor and you still have all those issues of basic storytelling just crippling the show. |
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2012-11-20, 17:05 | Link #2677 | |
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2012-11-20, 17:05 | Link #2678 | ||
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Still, had the feels when Ao acknowledged everything his parents did for him and Niji starts playing. That scene was pretty well executed, even if the idea behind it was crap. And really people, worse than Aquarion EVOL? I know you're mad, geez, but still. Last edited by com_gwp; 2012-11-20 at 17:54. |
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2012-11-20, 17:50 | Link #2679 |
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You can't simply state that the show was bad. Well, you can, but my point is that it would be wrong to do so. Whether a show is good or bad is all a matter of opinion, not facts. I agree with most of your arguments, but deciding for other people that it was bad is kind of wrong.
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