2004-10-08, 21:45 | Link #82 | |
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I didn't see the first debate but i saw the second one just now. I think that Kerry won also. As for Bush..................... |
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2004-10-08, 22:13 | Link #84 | |
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Im sorry.. but to see so many still backing him makes me believe that a lot of people dont even watch or interpret these debates. It makes me sad that my country lets a complete idiot represent our country. Instead of making him president he needs to take some english classes, or at least a public speaking class. The only thing this war did was remove Saddam, it didnt make us any safer at all. Weve had so many losses.. to say that "well we got saddam" is rediculous. I for one really hope Kerry wins.. and gets a lot more countries world-round to help us out. The fact that Bush told the rest of the world to piss off, and we will do whatever we want even though our (his) opinion was a minority... scares me. |
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2004-10-08, 22:38 | Link #85 | |
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If we obverse the example that I just gave, it is clearly evident that he did the same with Iraq and the inspectors... Bush is a very emotional person... That's not a good thing when you are a president...
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2004-10-08, 23:05 | Link #87 | |
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2004-10-08, 23:36 | Link #89 | ||
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Ok, I missed the debate in favor of baseball. However I was just reading over some of the comments from the candidates on a news site. Now... this stunned me, did Bush really say this?
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2004-10-08, 23:44 | Link #90 | ||
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I just can't see how anyone would think Bush won that. Kerry's answers seemed alot more laid out and explained. His stem cell research stance (no new "lives" will be lost, these are embryos already existing that will be destroyed at a later time), Iraq (not going it alone, yadda, yadda, essentially Bush has no plan except hold an election and hold his breath), abortion (Kerry clearly defended his voting record pointing out instances that would have been hurt had he voted otherwise), and I have no idea what the hell Bush was saying when he was asked about picking a judge. To bring up the Dred Scott (?) case....for crying out loud you're gonna have a pretty hard time picking any judge who supports slavery. Also, I thought Kerry was pretty impressive with keeping up with all the issues at once and showing connections, he at least a couple times I think would point to a previous person who'd asked a question (and refer to them by name! guessing he was taking some damn good notes over there while Bush doodled) and tell them how it relates to what they asked. Also, big props for that bit about Missouri's population being larger than the majority of nations within the "coalition of the willing". Gotta say I didn't catch what Kerry was talking about with the timber company thing, and neither did Bush, though watching Bush respond was pretty funny. Open with a zinger, and then stutter while impersonating a deer in headlights for 15 seconds...Both of em had some problems sticking to questions, they were both responding to their opponent's answer in the last question during the following question, but Bush most of all when he ignored the moderator. EDIT: about that timber company thing...off John Kerry's website Quote:
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2004-10-09, 01:43 | Link #93 | |
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I was also impressed with that information about missouri being the 3rd i believe he said? biggest nation in the coalition, if it was a nation. Pretty funny, and completely discredited bush's "WE HAVE 30 NATIONS OMGWTFBBQ!!" response. |
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I'm done I said what I wanted to say. I will not respond to anymore responses to this post. Bush vs Kerry debate 2. I think Bush came out on top on this one. He was more likable and not as irritated as the first debate, he seemed so eager and seemed to enjoy it. Kerry didn't do too bad also, he was much like in the first debate.
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Kerry seems to be much more intelligent, calm, and collected. He answers every question thoroughly without lengthy pauses and with many facts. I think the majority of polls at the moment say kerry won again. The only people backing bush saying he won the debates, are hardcore republicans. |
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2004-10-09, 04:51 | Link #96 | |
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Yes Bush has been lying for over two years now about more than just this war. he is the commander in chief this "misinformed" garbage is nothing but a line for people like you. 1000+ deaths in Iraq were caused because Bush and his people wanted a war. You are not patrioitic. If you were you would be able to think for yourself. |
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2004-10-09, 05:46 | Link #97 |
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I don't like to blast people but what the hell? Well right now, Tony Blair is having a hard time for the war in Iraq. Was it for the wrong decision? Partly, but because he used CIA evidence of weapons of mass destruction and exagerrated it to make out that Iraq had these WMDs. What would i have done at the time? As Dauthi said, guilty until proven innocent? Thats Never been used before. I would have at the time, allowed the WEAPONS INSPECTORS to carry on trying to find these WMDS that didn't exist in the first place, this could have prevented the invasion in the first place.
Ok so you don't think we should remove every dictator in the world, just Saddam Hussein? or the ones with WMDs like North Korea. In fact North Korea are probably even a bigger threat?, they actually appear to have the blue prints to make an A bomb, and the fact they have nuclear power plants in their country. Should the U.S. go invade North Korea?. |
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If you belived I was joking due to stating cecorship of the media is one of the first indications, show my a single dictatorship that had free press. Quote:
Second, that is NOT our responsibilty. Our goverments responsibilty is to preside over the well beeing and safty of it's citzens. Not Iraqi citizens, not french citizens, not ethiopian citzens. We can, do, and should assist other goverments to provide for the well beeing of thier citzens. As an industrialized nation that can easly produce more of eery vital resorce than we need, not only is it a basic humanitarian ideal to do so, but can severly help stimulate our, and thier economies. But we should not be assisting people that 1) did not ask for our assistance. 2) did not want our assistance. Stoping a goverment within it's own borders from commiting attrocities on it's own citizens should be the job and responsibility of the UN. To tell a goverment they cannot do what they are doing, does need to be stated by the world at large. Not one man, even if he does lead a world superpower. The UN is heavly backed by the US, and we should lend the UN our full support had they decided that the only resolution to social issues in Iraq was through military invasion. Now, that said, I still fully supported (note the past tense) the invasion of Afganistan. For several reasons. 1) we made the problem. We supplied and trained the taliban in order to fight off the invading russians. Yet once the russians left we invested nothing further into that country. Basicly giving a big thumbs up the the heavly armed and fanaticaly religious orginization to setup thier own goverment. 2) We supported the taliban right up untill the 9/11 attacks. Because we wanted to run an oil pipeline through afganistan, and we thought the taliban would allow it. Dispite the fact it was known Ossama bin Laden was within the afgani borders. That he had commited terroist attacks aginst the US, and it's citzens previously. The explosion outside the WtC in 1998, killing of us troops in Somolia and Yemen, various other embasy bombings ect. We knew Al Queda was traning the Taliban military, as Al queda had the only military training camps in afganistan at the time. 3) With my above mentioned quote of Sun Tzu, our primary focus was terrorst, as such we are attacking thier allies. Second, the allies of the Taliban were terroist and Muslims. Thats about it. We cannot win a war aginst god, even a muslim god, so attacking the taliban is the better option. 4) The UN should have gotten involved over the humanitarian issues. Religious practices are one thing, but subjgation of one sex involintarly without option to defect is another. Women held no rights in afganistan, and were not even allowed to walk the streets alone. They were not allowed to be educated or hold jobs. Yet the wars with Russia had left millions of single mothers. Most turned illeagly to prostitution, with was often punnished with death. Although by sleeping with soldiers some were able to avoid punsihment. But we seriously screwed up that invasion. We moved nearly all of our forces to Iraq. Leaving resevest and National Guardsmen in Afganistan to protect and rebuild that nation. We are destroying crops of poppy seeds, but not replacing them with any thing. These farmers have no choice in what they grow as they have no seed, and no $ to buy it. Also not much grows in the harsh afgan climate. Yet we slash and burn fields of poppy seeds every day, that these farmers now not only have lost the income from, but have to pay back druglords for. So far all we have done is a half assed job of creating chaos in the name of peace and freedom. We need to handle one area at a time, it is difficult to manage rebuilding multiple nations at once. Quote:
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How to survive under Democracy: Don't go outside: you'll get blown up by the insurgents. Don't stay inside: the Americans will bomb you. Until some actual progress is made in Iraq (and there is still no indication that it will if you ask me) you can't claim the country is better off. A "democratic" deathtrap is still a deathtrap. Quote:
2) Most of the intelligence was American, so it's a matter of which countries believed us the most. Now many of those nations despite "believing" Iraq had weapons disagreed with war. 3) There have been plenty of sources come forward at this point to say that Bush administration rushed to war and pushed for evidence from the CIA to prove their predisposed conclusions on Iraq. (former Secretary of Treasury: O'Neill for example) 4) Much of the "evidence" was "found" by going back through old information and coming to drastically different conclusions from what was initially thought. 5) In 1998, Cheney(now Vice-President), Rumsfeld (now US Defense Secretary), Wolfowitz (now deputy US Defense Secretary), and Jeb Bush (the only Bush that sounds more like a redneck than George W. Bush) all part of the PNAC ("Project for the New American Century" boy doesn't that sound ominous...) urged President Clinton to invade Iraq! Quote:
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