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Schneizel el Britannia was the final threat to Lelouch's plans, has a mysterious background, revolved around the plot significantly, and was actually one of the three real players (along with Charles and Lelouch... and the only one without a Geass to boot!) in the series. His actions through the series are rather interesting from his viewpoints on War, how to obtain peace, etc. Heck it could also be used to discuss his startegic brilliance and overall importance to the plot and Lelouch more specifically.
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2009-05-07, 23:15 | Link #2 |
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Honestly, I am not too sure about his whole importance. Schneizel really only ended up as a speed bump at the end for Lelouch to look even cooler. But I felt that his answer to how the world can have peace is similar to what Lelouch told C.C in season one, how the chain of war and hatred and all that can end if someone wins.
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Awesome! I got my topic. XD And I knew you would say something like that demon_god... XD
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2009-05-07, 23:32 | Link #4 | |
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That sounds about right, but when you give a man like him a weapon with such destructive potential then the result tends to be obvious.
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As for that hub-bub with Ougi, it was A LOT more than that. Schneizel was starting to turn them well before Ougi barged into the meeting. He had a swamp load of stuff to use against Lelouch there, and Lelouch didn't see it coming at all... XD Quote:
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Although Schneizel isn't completely callous. He could have easily of killed off Cornelia, but he didn't. He also didn't want to be greedy and wipe out the BK's with a FLEIA warhead when he very well could have. Quote:
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By the time Schneizel pulled out the "Geass Papers" (neat name), they had pretty much been sold already. They were too irrational to take a good look and realize these people were just guessing. "Pretty pictures" and all. Diethard played off his association very quickly, and they don't bring it up again, just like they don't bring up that Ohgi's consorting with a Britannian soldier in front of them (it amazes me to no end that not one person even thinks to call him on that relationship). Lelouch knew he was screwed when he saw Schneizel, but lacking knowledge of what happened he just assumed that Schneizel convinced them. Schneizel is convincing, sure, and it's probably 50/50 or better that he would have won them over anyway, but Ohgi seriously tipped those scales from "rational removal from power" to "kill the bastard at any cost." Quote:
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That second part seems more a matter of pride than actually caring. Their lives didn't mean anything to him, since he shot at the Avalon when they were aboard it. Quote:
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now this is an interesting thread =)
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but... it was not just Ohgi that felt affected personally by Lelouch's betrayal. Take for example the pained look with wich Tohdoh remebers Asahina's last word and the way he called his name: that event affected him too on a personal level - he might seem more rightfull in his emotive reaction, because being affected by the loss of a comrade is commonly considered an honorable thing, but it's not being 'rational' either. You can easily assume that the same thing goes for Chiba. And all of this is perfectly understandable on an emotive level. Quote:
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This makes sense with the idea that Schneizel was more than ready to accept compromises in order to obtain peace, even loosing some territories, if that would turn out as the more effective solution. Another thing I'm quite confused about is, when does Schneizel realized that also the new Zero was Lelouch? I think he knew already at their meeting in China.... |
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The problem with the idea that Villetta confirming for Ougi about Zero is that she had no evidence of anything either other then her word for it. Ougi took Villetta at her word, the word of an enemy soldier that tried to kill him twice. Schneizel really had nothing but circumstantial evidence to pull it off and Villetta did not even have anything. Schneizel's geass files was just a bunch of folders with people in it that they think Lelouch used some, as of then, never before heard of mystical power to bewitch. They really had no evidence to speak of that did not involve the Black Knights having to actually trust them as a source of information in such a critical time in their war with Britannia. The only semi concrete thing they have was the recording with Suzaku, but such things can be faked, and even Kallen remarked in season one that just the voice carrying over a radio is not enough to identify someone, the recording is not much better. Schneizel accepted the SAZ to corner Zero. It was not really a loss of territory for Britannia considering that Britannia still had control over it. Once the Black Knights were demilitarized and/or contained, nothing is really there to make Britannia honour their agreement. Infact it may even be tempting for them to arrange some massive accident for the SAZ as it contains all the numbers that are unwilling to conform with Britannian society. We simply do not know much about Schneizel in season one, or two for that matter. |
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How could he? Lelouch is dead for all he knows. He could have only have known for sure once Lelouch was captured.
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2009-05-08, 18:49 | Link #13 |
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Am I the only one that didn't find Schniezel all that charismatic? IIRC Schn' was mentioned as being a charismatic leader. Which would be a reasonable assessment since high charisma makes it easier for you to get people to believe in you. But I just didn't see it really, IMO Lelouch was leagues ahead of him as charismatic leader.
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2009-05-08, 18:53 | Link #14 |
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I'd agree with you yvj, but to be fair, Schneizel just never really had much of a chance to display his charismatic side considering that Britannian soldiers are all fiercely loyal anyways. In comparison, Lelouch had to build an army from terrorist cells and mold them into a force that could contend with Britannia. Schneizel already had resources to work with while Lelouch made his.
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Yeah he can spin tales with the best of them but he lacks the charisma IMO, which is likely why he chose Nunnaly to be the figurehead of the Empire.
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To be honest, I believe he chose Nunally more for the reason to shake up Lelouch then anything else. |
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Season one, Charles was given word how Schneizel was planning something and Charles did his crazy laugh and said to let Schneizel challenge him if he thinks he can. |
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