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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 19 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 294 | 62.96% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 93 | 19.91% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 40 | 8.57% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 21 | 4.50% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 1.50% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.21% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.21% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.21% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.21% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 8 | 1.71% | |
Voters: 467. You may not vote on this poll |
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2008-08-20, 07:59 | Link #1541 | ||
TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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2008-08-20, 08:09 | Link #1542 | |
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The Geass argument can only go so far. Britannia has been a threat to China for YEARS. Nothing changed that. I know you believe Britannia is somehow a GOOD country, for some reason, but saying China has no reason to defend itself against it is ridiculous. And as long as BK still want to catch Zero, it means they still want to keep the deal on the table with Britannia. And if they do that, they have betrayed China.
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2008-08-20, 08:11 | Link #1543 | |
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I think Li is smarter then that, if he was manipulated by geass then he wouldn't be doubting Zero would he? And they joined the UFN willingly because they needed them to survive against Britannia. Li's loyalties is still first and foremost to Tianzi and he will go with whichever option will benefit them more. Which at this point might be just see how it all plays out with the deal with Schneizel. |
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2008-08-20, 08:14 | Link #1544 | ||
TRUE! Lelouch is dead! XD
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2008-08-20, 09:46 | Link #1545 |
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I think he's gonna see that the BKs made a deal with Britannia, and he'll cut them off. And he's got the guts to kill a Chinese eunuch in front of other people (episode 4 or 5 I think), AND pretty much kill all of them one finding out they betrayed China for Britannia. He may not trust Zero at all, but I believe he's more focused on the war more than hunting down Zero should he find out about this.
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2008-08-20, 09:50 | Link #1546 | ||
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Saying Suzaku is "being pushed closer to the Britannians" is a bit silly, because that implies there will still be two distinct sides when this whole thing is over. Quote:
The only reason China fought against Britannia in the first place is because of Zero, and with him out of the question, there is likely going to be a truce between the two sides. Lest you forget, Britannia and the CF (when it was ruled by the Eunuchs) were allies until Zero foiled the Tianzi-Odysseus marriage. If you think Xingke is going to want to keep fighting Britannia out of misguided vengeance despite the rest of the world wanting peace, you're out of your mind. Something people seem to forget is that other than excursions into the EU for the sake of finding geass sites, the world was not at war with Britannia until the UFN was formed by Zero. With Zero gone, there is no more will to fight a pointless war that he started. |
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2008-08-20, 10:47 | Link #1547 | |||
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1)Dude says can you hand over my brother, could you hand him over to me 2)Ougi immediately following this says if Im gonna betray a comrade I want Japan 3)Black Knights surround Zero with guns blazing READY TO EXECUTE HIM if Kallen isnt there What are you missing? There never is a discussion of unilaterally killing him, not even a hint of this If you are arguing strictly speculation, then its pure conjecture Please give me the timecode in this episode where anything suggests (leading up to the firing squad scene) that the Black Knights are just gonna kill Zero on sight after meeting with Schnizzle? Quote:
You keep saying that Schnizzle didnt say anything to Lulu because he had set all of this up as his final chessmove, and that was enuff to him, so I ask you again what evidence do you have showing this? Even if I were willing to believe that the scene wasnt OOC, you are totally ignoring the lack of any evidence that shows how Schnizzle goes from asking them to hand him over to the Black Knights with guns blazing ready to kill Zero on sight You are skipping an entire element of this argument So I guess in a way you are correct Correct right to my point that is because they created this scene for dramatic effect (shock factor) and to set-up Rolos rescue There is no other explanation, especially if the crux of your point here is Schnizel wanted to see Lulu die at the hands of his own army Where is the one shred of evidence in this ep that supports that You dont have it Pretty sad if that was his master chessmove and the audience doesnt even get an ambiguous smirk as evidence here We go straight from negotiations where none of this is mentioned in the slightest right to the BKs unilateral firing squad Im sorry but its hard for me not to believe Ive won this point You wanna bring up previous episodes, because most of them solidify the point that Schnizel at the very least doesn't want to JUST KILL HIM, period, end of sentence... Quote:
Other than loving to passionately debate, Im really not mad here, because CG does this ALL THE TIME To pull plot twists outta youre a$$ every episode, you have to deprive the audience of certain things as not to give away the twist There have been times where this has worked great (Lulu fooling V.V. when he was in the desert for instance) and there have been times when its been beyond absurd (Million Zero-no-jutsu episode) Here it was neither great nor out of bounds, but to me it was definitely OOC and weird Youre asking me to believe on faith something happened offscreen that checker-jumps from simply handing Zero over to HIS OWN MEN killing him in cold blood on sight I mean dude, Im always ready to concede if a point exists thats greater than my own, but I just dont see one here This was one of the countless scenes in CG that are used to set-up the plethora of endless plot twists
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2008-08-20, 10:53 | Link #1548 | |
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No, the reason China fought against Britannia was that the Eunuchs tried to sell their country to Britannia but failed due to Xingke and Zero and Britannia was going to invade them in retaliation. They joined the UFN and fought Britannia because that was the only way they could survive as a nation. Xingke's coup started it and Zero just rewrote the scenario abit. |
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2008-08-20, 11:09 | Link #1549 | ||||||
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They also never discussed handing him over unscathed, so really, we're both arguing strictly speculation. Not to mention that, after the Shinkuro escapes, Schneizel seems perfectly content with sending the Mordred, a heavy weapons unit, to 'capture' the mech. To which Anya replies, 'If you want me to destroy it...'. There is enough post negotiation to say that Schneizel did not give a rats ass as to how Lelouch was removed or turned over. You cannot just pick and chose parts of the whole. Quote:
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As for evidence to say that it was enough to fit into Schneizel's 'I'm better than you' retort to Lelouch. It was noted by Lelouch as being a check. Heck, if you look at the scene, its a mirror of their chess game. Schneizel, the white king, marched into the Black Kings layer and the same exact thing happened. The audience did not get a smirk, they got a surprised reaction and then a calm Schneizel calming down Cornelia. More followed that scene, just as a smirk would imply, so too would outright shock and his reaction. Quote:
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When Kallen moved out of the way the Order was ready to shoot, it would have been the same end as just sending a KMF to run him over. So the result is the same, if anything shooting him is faster and more certain than a KMF trying to run him over. Quote:
You have to understand that people who are being driven by their fears and paranoia do not act rationally. You are trying to add rationalized thought to it when, quite clearly they showed they had none when Kallen tried to interject for Lelouch. She had a level head, all they did was dismiss her attempt to defend him as a part of the Geass. It is clear that they are incredibly paranoid and fearful at that point. Therein, applying rationality to them is wasted and a fallacy. |
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2008-08-20, 11:17 | Link #1550 | |
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Further more, from what I can remember from Nunnaly's knowledge her brother is missing and still is, the phone call to her that Suzaku made to find out if Lulu regained his memories from episode I forgot doesn't help at all. Okay maybe it did but my point is, she hasn't seen his brother face-to-face since S1 and only had a hunch on who Zero's true identity is when Zero shouted her name. The only hope that i'am still holding to before I snap and think of her as really dead in the show is that, she can't die yet because she hasn't seen his brother atleast once in this season. There are still some unfinished business for them to do like telling her the whole Zero thing, geass, Euphy, Shirley, C.C., how he wanted her the best and Charles etc.., after all he did mention to her that she's the only person he couldn't lie to and dying without knowing what his brother has been up to is just.. Although I admit that having listed on the official site that she and Sayoko are marked as dead has a rather high possibility, one cannot lose hope until the end of the series. For all we know, Sayoko might have performed her miracle juutsu and somehow, incredible with lightning speed she manage to save Nunnaly in the nick of time. Where in I know is crazy and violates the boundary of the whole ninja-fiction thing Anyway, just saying. |
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2008-08-20, 11:57 | Link #1551 | |
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they already sold him out to britannia kallen belived it was an irational behavier coused by fear of the geass and his past lies becouse she didnt know that shnizel was behind it but lulu knew the truth once he spoted shnizel debating it and arguing with it would have been pointless at that point (which is what lulu figured once he saw that shnizel was there) so he gave up on any attempet to right then and there (to save what he can)
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2008-08-20, 12:44 | Link #1552 |
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The Order was paranoid alright, but not stupid enough to be taken over by Lelouch after what he had done to their allies and friends. Both sides don't know that Lelouch's Geass only works once and fear has taken them over, so the only course of action is to kill him on sight. "Fear the unknown." They don't know the full extent of Geass since they don't know what it does. The miracles of Zero are along the lines of "expect the unexpected". The Britannian royal family fears Lelheouch, but they fear Charles even more since they are clueless as to what he does. I wonder why Schneizel wondered what his father was doing in Area 11 waiting and didn't issue any orders to investigate or report to Charles. See the search team out to look for Lelouch near the end, he's a dangerous criminal and a wanted fugitive so it's DOA.
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2008-08-20, 12:49 | Link #1553 |
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I think we should also consider that Schneizel has already tried the whole capture instead of kill thing before with Lelouch and that didn't work out so well. If he didn't move to stop the Black Knights from killing Lelouch its probably simply because they made things easier on him by making his eventual surprise escape less likely. Of course then you have that he escaped yet again anyway, but you know at least he was close to being rid of his nemesis for good.
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2008-08-20, 13:01 | Link #1554 | |
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As for Schnizzle’s interest in killing Lulu…,Atleast on my side of the debate I have him saying atleast twice that he doesn’t have any desire to kill his brother, while you have nothing more than a skip-to-my-lou scenario where this just had to be the case since the scene ends up being the case (Again with no hints, or even subtle indications to this extend)…I mean I’m enjoying myself too, but it’s really kinda easy to argue this... Can’t believe I’m doing this at work right now … I have so much $hit to do^^...
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2008-08-20, 14:07 | Link #1557 |
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Does anyone else think it's odd that Schniezel and Cornelia were surprised by Ougi's request to give back Japan? When considering how the black knights are mostly composed of japanese who wish to liberate japan, I would think that it's common sense that they would make such a request, especially when they'll have to lose Zero and are too scared of Freija to make any type of retaliation.
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2008-08-20, 14:46 | Link #1558 |
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned regarding Xingke, is that he didn't join Zero because he was geassed. He joined Zero out of his own free will because of what Zero told the Tianzi. I personally think that Ougi's decision is going to backfire as Xingke will most likely be angered about their selling out their leader at a time of war. He's no idiot like the other black knights, he'll probably reason why if Zero can control minds did he allow his subordinates to betray him? Obviously he did not use geass on them...
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2008-08-20, 15:49 | Link #1559 | |
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2008-08-20, 15:52 | Link #1560 | |
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b) I never say it will have to succeed. look what Light ended up as. |
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